The Rangers Next Permanent Manager

[ICTChris]

15 minutes ago, mylothedog said:

As much as he is apparently a fan of the club I don't see how McInnes can win here. 

Is that such a big deal for these guys?  McInnes is a professional football manager, not a season ticket holder.   He's in his mid-40s, is he going to base his career choices on the team he supported three decades ago and he played more for Morton, West Brom and Dundee United.  

I don't think footballers look at these things the way that fans do - they want to maximise their careers, in terms of trophies and in terms of money.  McInnes will look at any move in those terms.  He'll have a lot of confidence in his ability to succeed so might think that he can move Rangers closer to Celtic, win some cups and qualify for Europe but he'll probably balance that off against the danger that he won't succeed, that Rangers are a basket case, that he won't get time to build a squad the way he wants to, that if he doesn't succeed there he'll scupper his chances to progress even further in his career, maybe managing in the English Premiership.  I don't think that he 

[EdTheDuck]

18 minutes ago, mylothedog said:

As much as he is apparently a fan of the club I don't see how McInnes can win here. If he does go to Ibrox he will be as snakey as Jack was, and any goodwill he has from the dons fans will be gone. A lot of the fans of the Ibrox club don't think much of him as he didn't win the league when Ronny was at Parkhead( imagine that), and unless a billionaire takes over as chairman, he won't catch Celtic, therefore he will be branded a failure and sacked. His career will only go one way.
For an intelligent man he has to get this Shirley?

General intelligence isn't exactly a prerequisite in professional football.

Football history is littered with examples of the Peter Principle and McInnes is possibly about to become its latest victim. Whether he could do a job if they weren't Boracic is open to debate but as things stand he is going to be pissing into the wind and has a job expectancy of about 18 months IMO.

[Amato72]

If Mcinnes can maintain 2nd place in the league for 2 or 3 seasons he's done well.

Basically return the duopoly to what it once was.

[RandomGuy.]

55 minutes ago, Amato72 said:

If Mcinnes can maintain 2nd place in the league for 2 or 3 seasons he's done well.

Basically return the duopoly to what it once was.

You know well enough that wouldn't be enough to save him from the ire of the fans. Theres plenty of mouthbreathers who still believe "anything other than first is failure for the mighty Rangers"

[DrewDon]

Congratulations to Kenny McLean on sealing his January transfer to Ibrox, should the McInnes appointment go through as expected. 

[Diamonds are Forever]

2 hours ago, ICTChris said:

I’m sure this has all been said before but...

McInnes is obviously a good manager and he’s achieved a lot with Aberdeen. People forget how dismal they’ve been for a long time, the only sustained period of non-abjectness in the two decades preceding DM was under Jimmy Calderwood and that regime had a few questions about it, especially from Aberdeen fans. The consistency shown during his time as manager is really admirable. It’s probably the most consistent that any of the city clubs have been during that period and he’s won a trophy. If he wasn’t up against such an excellent Celtic team I think he’d probably have more.

BUT

He’s achieved what you’d expect for his sort of budget and the players he’s signed. He’s recruited a team that is obviously full of good players for the SPFL and organised them very well. Is that what Rangers want? Are Rangers confident that he could build a team to challenge Celtic (this Celtic), win trophies and qualify for Europe? He’s going to have to achieve more than the expected bang for Rangers’ buck and is that something that you see in his career so far? I’m not sure it is.

Having said that, Rangers tried a different approach with Caixinha and it didn’t pay off at all so maybe a more conventional appointment I what they need.

 

For 2 years he was up against a dreadful Celtic side, and when you consider that County, ICT, St Johnstone and a Championship Hibs side have also won one trophy in his time I don't think you can put his lack of trophies down to a strong Celtic side winning the last 3. His cup record, and record in most big games, is poor.

You're right in that he has done a good job at getting them more consistent and raising standards, but you also have to factor in the state of the league during his time. Rangers haven't been there/have been a mess, Hearts have been out the league and almost went bust, Hibs have been out the league, Dundee Utd a mess, and for 2 years Celtic had Ronny Deila. He couldn't have hoped for a better climate to finish 2nd a few times. That's not a criticism, and the usual 'you can only beat what's in front of you' line applies, but it's just something that has to be factored in when you're trying to assess how well he's done. He's had it easy.

Is he a manager that has proven he can get a team playing above themselves or overachieving? Absolutely not. Is he someone who has shown he can take an underachieving club and 'sort them out' to get them back to near enough the level they should be playing at? Yes. On that basis I think he'd be a decent appointment for  Rangers for 2-3 years, all going well they could then get someone to take them on further.

[Hammer Jag]

This whole saga amounts to a scandal. The biggest scandal Scottish football has faced since the SFA chose to ignore an inquiry into Rangers’ use of EBTs.

During the past six weeks we have witnessed a relentless campaign to completely unsettle and derail a club’s season. Rangers collecting six points from their two meetings with Aberdeen suggest this campaign has had a significant impact. A huge section of our mainstream media, from the BBC to the print press are complicit.

It’s a concerted effort to return to the Old Firm duopoly. Aberdeen are the victims here, but had it been Hibs, Hearts or anyone else who had the audacity to challenge the Old Firm, they would have almost certainly suffered from similar treatment.

This whole drama serves to remind us that Scottish football will always be run for the benefit of two clubs and that we can never expect our media to report on events with integrity.

Scottish football is a grubby, corrupt mess and it makes you wonder why we all invest so much time and money following it.

If you aren’t furious at this, you fucking well should be.

 

[TheLad]

I’m sure this has all been said before but...

McInnes is obviously a good manager and he’s achieved a lot with Aberdeen. People forget how dismal they’ve been for a long time, the only sustained period of non-abjectness in the two decades preceding DM was under Jimmy Calderwood and that regime had a few questions about it, especially from Aberdeen fans. The consistency shown during his time as manager is really admirable. It’s probably the most consistent that any of the city clubs have been during that period and he’s won a trophy. If he wasn’t up against such an excellent Celtic team I think he’d probably have more.

BUT

He’s achieved what you’d expect for his sort of budget and the players he’s signed. He’s recruited a team that is obviously full of good players for the SPFL and organised them very well. Is that what Rangers want? Are Rangers confident that he could build a team to challenge Celtic (this Celtic), win trophies and qualify for Europe? He’s going to have to achieve more than the expected bang for Rangers’ buck and is that something that you see in his career so far? I’m not sure it is.

Having said that, Rangers tried a different approach with Caixinha and it didn’t pay off at all so maybe a more conventional appointment I what they need.

Build a team to challenge Celtic? Not in the next 3 years anyway. Any Rangers fan with half a brain know that isn't possible. Too much to catch up on.
However some fans and media will push an expectation for this to happen by next season. Which means he will be sacked. And probably take over at Doncaster or hartlepool and come back to Scotland to be boss of Kilmarnock in 2020

[Diamonds are Forever]

8 minutes ago, Hammer Jag said:

This whole saga amounts to a scandal. The biggest scandal Scottish football has faced since the SFA chose to ignore an inquiry into Rangers’ use of EBTs.

During the past six weeks we have witnessed a relentless campaign to completely unsettle and derail a club’s season. Rangers collecting six points from their two meetings with Aberdeen suggest this campaign has had a significant impact. A huge section of our mainstream media, from the BBC to the print press are complicit.

It’s a concerted effort to return to the Old Firm duopoly. Aberdeen are the victims here, but had it been Hibs, Hearts or anyone else who had the audacity to challenge the Old Firm, they would have almost certainly suffered from similar treatment.

This whole drama serves to remind us that Scottish football will always be run to serve the interests of two clubs and that we can never expect our media to report on events with integrity.

Scottish football is a grubby, corrupt mess and it makes you wonder why we all invest so much time and money following it.

If you aren’t furious at this, you fucking well should be.

 

 

What a ridiculous post. After the Scotland and Celtic job it's the biggest job in country. Like with any job like that there is a big speculation at the start, on paper McInnes looked the obvious favourite. Rangers delaying for weeks just meant the speculation continued, fuelled by McInnes not denying interest in the job, and then 2 Aberdeen v Rangers games just added more fuel to the fire.

If he goes it's because he wants to and because Aberdeen are willing to let him for that price. The 'media campaign' is ultimately irrelevant other than being tedious. You're acting like it's the media forcing him to leave.

[bennett]

27 minutes ago, Hammer Jag said:

This whole saga amounts to a scandal. The biggest scandal Scottish football has faced since the SFA chose to ignore an inquiry into Rangers’ use of EBTs.

During the past six weeks we have witnessed a relentless campaign to completely unsettle and derail a club’s season. Rangers collecting six points from their two meetings with Aberdeen suggest this campaign has had a significant impact. A huge section of our mainstream media, from the BBC to the print press are complicit.

It’s a concerted effort to return to the Old Firm duopoly. Aberdeen are the victims here, but had it been Hibs, Hearts or anyone else who had the audacity to challenge the Old Firm, they would have almost certainly suffered from similar treatment.

This whole drama serves to remind us that Scottish football will always be run to serve the interests of two clubs and that we can never expect our media to report on events with integrity.

Scottish football is a grubby, corrupt mess and it makes you wonder why we all invest so much time and money following it.

If you aren’t furious at this, you fucking well should be.

 

[shull]

At least, I'll no have to listen to Dull & Dreary Derek getting interviewed on Sportsound due the ongoing situation. 

[killiefan27]

3 hours ago, mylothedog said:

As much as he is apparently a fan of the club I don't see how McInnes can win here. If he does go to Ibrox he will be as snakey as Jack was, and any goodwill he has from the dons fans will be gone. A lot of the fans of the Ibrox club don't think much of him as he didn't win the league when Ronny was at Parkhead( imagine that), and unless a billionaire takes over as chairman, he won't catch Celtic, therefore he will be branded a failure and sacked. His career will only go one way.
For an intelligent man he has to get this Shirley?

 

[Dubford don]

1 hour ago, TheLad said:

 

Build a team to challenge Celtic? Not in the next 3 years anyway. Any Rangers fan with half a brain know that isn't possible. Too much to catch up on.
However some fans and media will push an expectation for this to happen by next season. Which means he will be sacked. And probably take over at Doncaster or hartlepool and come back to Scotland to be boss of Kilmarnock in 2020

 

And there is mcinnes biggest problem a sevco fan with half a brain is as rare as hens teeth

[mylothedog]

 

I'm saying I think he's fucked if he goes to Ibrox as it's mission impossible.

 

 

[RawB93]

I was enjoying this 'book at bedtime' till about a week ago......

I don’t believe for one second that’s a real book cover. Tell me it isn’t.

[DiegoDiego]

11 hours ago, ICTChris said:

Having said that, Rangers tried a different approach with Caixinha and it didn’t pay off at all so maybe a more conventional appointment I what they need.

Caixinha failed because he was shite, not because he was unconventional.

[ICTChris]

11 minutes ago, DiegoDiego said:

Caixinha failed because he was shite, not because he was unconventional.

True

[RandomGuy.]

Scenes when McInnes turns them down so they turn to O'Neill, who chooses Scotland, and then they turn to Tommy Wright, who chooses Northern Ireland.

[kingjoey]

9 hours ago, Diamonds are Forever said:

 

For 2 years he was up against a dreadful Celtic side, and when you consider that County, ICT, St Johnstone and a Championship Hibs side have also won one trophy in his time I don't think you can put his lack of trophies down to a strong Celtic side winning the last 3. His cup record, and record in most big games, is poor.

You're right in that he has done a good job at getting them more consistent and raising standards, but you also have to factor in the state of the league during his time. Rangers haven't been there/have been a mess, Hearts have been out the league and almost went bust, Hibs have been out the league, Dundee Utd a mess, and for 2 years Celtic had Ronny Deila. He couldn't have hoped for a better climate to finish 2nd a few times. That's not a criticism, and the usual 'you can only beat what's in front of you' line applies, but it's just something that has to be factored in when you're trying to assess how well he's done. He's had it easy.

Is he a manager that has proven he can get a team playing above themselves or overachieving? Absolutely not. Is he someone who has shown he can take an underachieving club and 'sort them out' to get them back to near enough the level they should be playing at? Yes. On that basis I think he'd be a decent appointment for  Rangers for 2-3 years, all going well they could then get someone to take them on further.

To be perfectly honest, you have to be a sane Aberdeen fan to know exactly what Derek McInnes has done for our club in the last almost five years. 

[The Minertaur]

6 hours ago, RawB93 said:

I don’t believe for one second that’s a real book cover. Tell me it isn’t.

 

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Stand-Your-Reds-uncompromising-history/dp/1912147130