tamthebam Posted September 13, 2023 Share Posted September 13, 2023 21 hours ago, kingjoey said: Great stuff. I was interested to see that when United scored in the first half in front of the Shed, the crowd didn't celebrate, but Dundee scored there in the second half the crowd went wild. When did the Shed become a United stronghold On 12/09/2023 at 14:12, Eednud said: On this day in 1964 Dundee won the derby at Tannadice 4 (Alan Cousin, Bobby Waddell, Jocky Scott 2) 1 (Lewis Thomas) Att: 16,838 There's an advert for Usher's beer at the Shed End. My dad and his pal said it was bloody awful. Any older readers able to confirm this? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billyg Posted September 13, 2023 Share Posted September 13, 2023 4 hours ago, tamthebam said: There's an advert for Usher's beer at the Shed End. My dad and his pal said it was bloody awful. Any older readers able to confirm this? Ushers were fully owned by Watney Mann by that time , their red-label was another horrific bitter so I'm told. Watney's did provide the Watney Cup , the first sponsored pre-season tourney , one which saw the penalty shoot-out introduced for the first time , with George Best scoring the first ever penalty , and Denis Law being the first to miss ! 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ken Fitlike Posted September 14, 2023 Share Posted September 14, 2023 Ushers Beer + Norseman Lager were desperate drinking pub horrors. they did a ‘Lorimers’ rebrand / makeover in the mid 70’s… same shite beer with new badge. the old stadium advert boards occasionally from back in the day usually evoke a ‘Hovis music’ vibe. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacksgranda Posted September 14, 2023 Share Posted September 14, 2023 17 hours ago, tamthebam said: There's an advert for Usher's beer at the Shed End. My dad and his pal said it was bloody awful. Any older readers able to confirm this? Ushers beer? Terrible stuff, used to avoid Ushers houses on a night out. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zen Archer (Raconteur) Posted September 14, 2023 Share Posted September 14, 2023 7 minutes ago, Ken Fitlike said: Ushers Beer + Norseman Lager were desperate drinking pub horrors. they did a ‘Lorimers’ rebrand / makeover in the mid 70’s… same shite beer with new badge. the old stadium advert boards occasionally from back in the day usually evoke a ‘Hovis music’ vibe. Here is the old South shed at Starks Park advertising Nelson cigarettes. The Main stand roof which advertised Youma Bread faintly seen to the right of the centre gable. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ken Fitlike Posted September 14, 2023 Share Posted September 14, 2023 https://amp.theguardian.com/football/2023/jan/11/pitchside-advertising-football-clubs-local-communities nutmeg article on nostalgic advert boards 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ken Fitlike Posted September 14, 2023 Share Posted September 14, 2023 Need a car or a van fast ? …. Mitchell’s Self Drive 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zen Archer (Raconteur) Posted September 14, 2023 Share Posted September 14, 2023 3 minutes ago, Ken Fitlike said: Need a car or a van fast ? …. Mitchell’s Self Drive Did someone burn the toast again? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Mantis Posted September 14, 2023 Share Posted September 14, 2023 (edited) On 14/09/2023 at 00:17, billyg said: Ushers were fully owned by Watney Mann by that time , their red-label was another horrific bitter so I'm told. Nah, it was Vaux Breweries of Sunderland that took them over. In my young days the brewers were known as Usher-Vaux and they produced this insipid beer which must have suited a Teesside Wearside palate as it was similar to Vaux beer which I probably tasted once on holiday. I believe that Ushers was respectable enough in Scotland before that, also their whisky. it was Drybroughs that were taken over by Watneys. 19 hours ago, Ken Fitlike said: Ushers Beer + Norseman Lager were desperate drinking pub horrors. they did a ‘Lorimers’ rebrand / makeover in the mid 70’s… same shite beer with new badge. Yeah a good bit of marketing but still shite. Pretty awful to think that back then, people including me would choose a pub that sold Tartan Special or McEwan’s Export, the ‘finest’ beers you could get in Scotland at the time. The other main player was Tennents, whose lager I think was top quality compared to what they sell now, but unless you were a lager drinker you wouldn’t bother with their tied houses as their various ales, like Bass Special, were awful. Unless you could find a pub which said ‘free house’. Edited September 15, 2023 by The Mantis 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ranaldo Bairn Posted September 14, 2023 Share Posted September 14, 2023 2 hours ago, Ken Fitlike said: Need a car or a van fast ? …. Mitchell’s Self Drive Where People Come First! ...as the old jingle went. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billyg Posted September 14, 2023 Share Posted September 14, 2023 2 hours ago, The Mantis said: Nah, it was Vaux Breweries of Sunderland that took them over. In my young days the brewers were known as Usher-Vaux and they produced this insipid beer which must have suited a Teesside palate as it was similar to Vaux beer which I probably tasted once on holiday. I believe that Ushers was respectable enough in Scotland before that, also their whisky. it was Drybroughs that were taken over by Watneys. in 1960 the company agreed to a takeover bid from the acquisitive Watney Mann. The joint assets included the brewery sites in both London (soon closed) and Trowbridge, together with 900 pubs.[1] In 1964, the company changed its registered name to Ushers Brewers Ltd.[1] Watney Mann merged with Grand Metropolitan Hotels in 1972. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dundee Hibernian Posted September 14, 2023 Share Posted September 14, 2023 On 12/09/2023 at 22:37, kingjoey said: Great stuff. I was interested to see that when United scored in the first half in front of the Shed, the crowd didn't celebrate, but Dundee scored there in the second half the crowd went wild. When did the Shed become a United stronghold? I think the quality of the film might have contributed to the look of the crowd, but I recall pre-segregation fans used to split themselves with United fans more likely to be in the on the left side looking out from the Shed. On 13/09/2023 at 12:25, ScottyDee1893 said: I would say around the late 70s when segregation of fans started to be introduced. Utd fans got the shed as the other 2 sides of terracing had no cover and were open to the elements. Dundee were the biggest supported team in the city until the 80/90s so the footage you refer to was indicative of how the crowd would have been for most of the last century That's a piece of bait, I'm thinking..... anyway, United's started recording overall average larger crowds of the two in the mid-seventies, although there have been blips such as at the turn of the century where Dundee edged ahead for a season, and over a couple of seasons 2017-19. The figures are available in "The Roar of the Crowd: Following Scottish Football Down the Years" by David Ross and for more recent seasons on https://www.european-football-statistics.co.uk/attn.htm . 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Mantis Posted September 14, 2023 Share Posted September 14, 2023 (edited) 1 hour ago, billyg said: in 1960 the company agreed to a takeover bid from the acquisitive Watney Mann. The joint assets included the brewery sites in both London (soon closed) and Trowbridge, together with 900 pubs.[1] In 1964, the company changed its registered name to Ushers Brewers Ltd.[1] Watney Mann merged with Grand Metropolitan Hotels in 1972. This is an unattributed quote so it had me confused for a bit. However, you've got the wrong Usher. You've got Usher's of Trowbridge, Wilts and we're talking about Thomas Usher of Edinburgh. Ushers of Trowbridge Thomas Usher Edited September 14, 2023 by The Mantis 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
O_Kahn Posted September 14, 2023 Share Posted September 14, 2023 On 12/09/2023 at 15:27, HibeeJibee said: 1927 Aberdeen toured South Africa 1931 Motherwell toured South Africa 1934 Motherwell toured Rhodesia & South Africa 1936 Queen of the South toured Algeria 1937 Aberdeen toured South Africa 1953 Dundee toured South Africa 1954 Hearts toured South Africa 1964 Queen's Park toured Kenya 1965 Queen's Park toured Nigeria 1967 Queen's Park toured Sierra Leone 1969 Clyde toured Rhodesia 1970 Kilmarnock toured Rhodesia 1972 Dundee Utd toured Nigeria AFC's 1937 tour was marred by the death of first team player Jackie Beynon - he caught appendicitis and then developed peritonitis, and died in Johannesburg. It would be unthinkable now, but the tour carried on after his death. Jackie is pictured on the way to South Africa, third from the right on the front row. Billy Scott (father of Jocky) is in the middle of the back row. https://aberdeen-fc.com/aberdeen-fc-tour-of-south-africa-1937/tour-of-south-africa-1937.html#gsc.tab=0 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bogbrush1903 Posted September 14, 2023 Share Posted September 14, 2023 5 hours ago, Jacksgranda said: Ushers beer? Terrible stuff, used to avoid Ushers houses on a night out. The Fall of the House of Usher 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ScottyDee1893 Posted September 14, 2023 Share Posted September 14, 2023 1 hour ago, Dundee Hibernian said: That's a piece of bait, I'm thinking..... anyway, United's started recording overall average larger crowds of the two in the mid-seventies, although there have been blips such as at the turn of the century where Dundee edged ahead for a season, and over a couple of seasons 2017-19. The figures are available in "The Roar of the Crowd: Following Scottish Football Down the Years" by David Ross and for more recent seasons on https://www.european-football-statistics.co.uk/attn.htm . No bait intended. My point wasn't about average attendances but the size of the respective supports. Dundee's average undoubtedly dipped in the late 70s following 3 seasons in the old First Division. I would argue however that they still had a bigger support than United at that point. The last 20K+ crowd at a derby was the LC quarter final at Dens and there were certainly more Dees in the crowd that night. I'd agree however that the tide definitely turned from the mid 80s onwards 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkey Tennis Posted September 14, 2023 Share Posted September 14, 2023 8 hours ago, The Mantis said: Nah, it was Vaux Breweries of Sunderland that took them over. In my young days the brewers were known as Usher-Vaux and they produced this insipid beer which must have suited a Teesside palate as it was similar to Vaux beer which I probably tasted once on holiday. Would that not be Wearside then? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Specky Ginger Posted September 14, 2023 Share Posted September 14, 2023 7 hours ago, Ranaldo Bairn said: Where People Come First! ...as the old jingle went. And come back again. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ranaldo Bairn Posted September 14, 2023 Share Posted September 14, 2023 2 minutes ago, Specky Ginger said: And come back again. Yaaaaass! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Mantis Posted September 15, 2023 Share Posted September 15, 2023 9 hours ago, Monkey Tennis said: Would that not be Wearside then? Oops brain fart 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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