Mark Connolly Posted January 24, 2018 Share Posted January 24, 2018 5 minutes ago, strichener said: No what I am getting at is that their stadium move is not comparable to Aberdeen, they have moved to a location nearer to what is in your own words "where their fan base is". According to their history pages, Saracens have played at multiple places during their history and have not had their own ground since the '90s - Aberdeen have their own ground and have never strayed from Pittodrie. Keep clutching at those straws though. So it’s because they are less inconvenienced than they were in the past, and nothing to do with travel times, distances, etc? Right you are. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PauloPerth Posted January 24, 2018 Share Posted January 24, 2018 4 hours ago, sjc said: The novelty of McDiarmid Park (a perfectly good facility) wore off less than 10years after its construction. St Johnstones attendances show this. 4 hours ago, RandomGuy. said: St Johnstone attendances are higher than in the 70s/80s, there was a huge upsurge after the move, along with most clubs at that time, so don't get distracted by that. 4 hours ago, sjc said: St Johnstone pre Geoff Brown were verging on bankruptcy and playing part time at the wrong end of the seaside league. The first season after the move (coinciding with winning promotion to the Premier Division) saw Saints average over 7000. These numbers were maintained under Totten but sharply fell away to what they are today......3000. Not great when you consider St Johnstone have just experienced their most sustained successful era in their history. 4 hours ago, RandomGuy. said: Yes, but every smaller club in the country enjoyed a surge in crowds at that point. It genuinely infuriates me so many people use that era as some form of proof crowds are shite. 4 hours ago, sjc said: By the same token, nearly every Club has seen their crowds surge since 2012......St Johnstone, despite their first ever trophy and regular top 6 finishes have seen theirs decrease. I'm not slagging off Saints here. I'm from Perth originally and want to see them do well. 4 hours ago, Tibbermoresaint said: Our crowds this season are 2% higher than 2011/12. Not much of an increase but an increase nevertheless. 4 hours ago, RandomGuy. said: Bare facts are they're higher than out historical crowds, and moving to McDiarmid hasn't harmed the crowds, or the club, which is the only relevance to this thread. We had to move, we were in debt in a stadium which could only use a small part of the Stand due to fire risk. McDiarmid has massively increased our income, both on match days and through the week. But it hasn't added anything as a fan, there's no pubs round about if you want to make a day of it, the town centre gets far less benefit from St Johnstone FC. I don't think Aberdeen are in a comparable situation. They are the second best team in the country, making Cup Finals, getting as good average crowds as they've done for a while. Pittodrie is shite but in a good location, and over time could be improved. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunty Posted January 24, 2018 Share Posted January 24, 2018 14 minutes ago, lubo_blaha said: 2000 cars, 50-100 buses (not including supporters buses) plus all the extra cars that will park in the spaces will apparently pop up!More people will face a longer journey to Kingsford than they do at Pittodrie, that’s a fact, even if you won’t. If the traffic is bad at Pittodrie going in all directions it’ll be even worse on one road out by Westhill. How much longer? An hour? Two hours? Or about 10 bleeding minutes? -2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RiG Posted January 24, 2018 Share Posted January 24, 2018 17 minutes ago, 1320Lichtie said: Skene Road and the Lang Stracht? Apologies never knew that They aren't dual carriageway until they join together. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lubo_blaha Posted January 24, 2018 Share Posted January 24, 2018 How much longer? An hour? Two hours? Or about 10 bleeding minutes? A minimum of 45 minutes from the city centre if you want to catch the last bus at 2pm. You can laugh of the distances and say people aren’t “real fans” if they let things like that affect them but the reality is that the hassle will put people off and the club will get less money. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sjc Posted January 24, 2018 Share Posted January 24, 2018 3 minutes ago, PauloPerth said: We had to move, we were in debt in a stadium which could only use a small part of the Stand due to fire risk. McDiarmid has massively increased our income, both on match days and through the week. But it hasn't added anything as a fan, there's no pubs round about if you want to make a day of it, the town centre gets far less benefit from St Johnstone FC. I don't think Aberdeen are in a comparable situation. They are the second best team in the country, making Cup Finals, getting as good average crowds as they've done for a while. Pittodrie is shite but in a good location, and over time could be improved. I totally agree and at the time the location of McDiarmid Park made sense not just because the land was gifted to the Club but because of attitudes towards football and ts fans at the time and "out of town" retail parks, supermarkets et al. Attitudes towards both have changed considerably nowadays. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sjc Posted January 24, 2018 Share Posted January 24, 2018 (edited) 6 minutes ago, Dunty said: How much longer? An hour? Two hours? Or about 10 bleeding minutes? So 20,000 people decending upon Kingsford at the same time on the same roads will take 10 mins.......ok then. Edited January 24, 2018 by sjc 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PauloPerth Posted January 24, 2018 Share Posted January 24, 2018 Just now, sjc said: I totally agree and at the time the location of McDiarmid Park made sense not just because the land was gifted to the Club but because of attitudes towards football and ts fans at the time and "out of town" retail parks, supermarkets et al. Attitudes towards both have changed considerably nowadays. Yes and in the immediate aftermath of Hillsborough, the out of town, super safe all seated stadium concept was hugely popular. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wastecoatwilly Posted January 24, 2018 Share Posted January 24, 2018 7 minutes ago, PauloPerth said: Yes and in the immediate aftermath of Hillsborough, the out of town, super safe all seated stadium concept was hugely popular. In germany they do this,gladbach and bayern have out of town stadium but the transport to the stadiums is great. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fatshaft Posted January 24, 2018 Share Posted January 24, 2018 39 minutes ago, lubo_blaha said: 2000 cars, 50-100 buses (not including supporters buses) plus all the extra cars that will park in the spaces will apparently pop up!More people will face a longer journey to Kingsford than they do at Pittodrie, that’s a fact, even if you won’t. If the traffic is bad at Pittodrie going in all directions it’ll be even worse on one road out by Westhill. As the Dons own figures suggest 45% come from outside the city, plus for many within the city it will be closer, that my friend is not a fact, it's a lie. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RiG Posted January 24, 2018 Share Posted January 24, 2018 (edited) Going to be a bit of a shitter if your team are getting horsed and you want to leave early because there are no shuttle buses to take fans back before the game is over. I suppose you can hop on a local service bus if you want but it's not ideal. And as mentioned previously if you need to boost from the game early to get the (last) train or bus from the city centre you are scunnered. Transporting nearly 6,000 fans by bus is going to be an interesting challenge especially when most folk want to leave the area after a game especially one like Kingsford because there is f**k all to do there. But again, according to the shuttle bus strategy, you could be waiting until 1730 to get a bus back to the city centre after the game is over. Edited January 24, 2018 by RiG 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EdTheDuck Posted January 24, 2018 Share Posted January 24, 2018 Just now, sjc said: So 20,000 people decending upon Kindsford at the same time on the same roads will take 10 mins.......ok then. The on/off-ramps from the AWPR are single track onto a big ole roundabout on the Aberdeen-Westhill dual carriageway, so all the North-South traffic will merge with the East-West traffic; the back roads alluded to earlier in the thread are B or even unclassified roads (essentially paved, winding dirt tracks - ideal for tractors & range rovers, not dozens, possibly hundreds of cars) and the dual carriageways out of town are, in fact, single carriageways all the way from the centre of town, crossing the A90 (which will be Aberdeen's inner ring-road by then) out through Hazlehead and Mastrick and merge at another traffic-light controlled roundabout where the dual carriageway begins and runs through another roundabout where 2 of those back roads meet before entering the big roundabout at the AWPR. 10 minutes will be plenty... 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aberdeen Cowden Posted January 24, 2018 Share Posted January 24, 2018 42 minutes ago, 1320Lichtie said: Skene Road and the Lang Stracht? Apologies never knew that I never knew that either. Maybe there’s another road. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fatshaft Posted January 24, 2018 Share Posted January 24, 2018 20 minutes ago, sjc said: So 20,000 people decending upon Kingsford at the same time on the same roads will take 10 mins.......ok then. We've done all this before. There is a much greater variety, and larger capacity roads at Kingsford than King Street. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aberdeen Cowden Posted January 24, 2018 Share Posted January 24, 2018 29 minutes ago, RiG said: They aren't dual carriageway until they join together. And the speed limit was reduced a few months ago to 40mph for safety reasons!! the whole length of the road from Westhill to Aberdeen. Should be fun. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sjc Posted January 24, 2018 Share Posted January 24, 2018 2 minutes ago, fatshaft said: We've done all this before. There is a much greater variety, and larger capacity roads at Kingsford than King Street. Well it won't as part of the planning approval will be to limit the amount of traffic disruption to appease those local to the stadium. Traffic calming measure will no doubt be introduced in line with the prohibiting of parking in and around Kingsford. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lubo_blaha Posted January 24, 2018 Share Posted January 24, 2018 As the Dons own figures suggest 45% come from outside the city, plus for many within the city it will be closer, that my friend is not a fact, it's a lie. You assume that everyone drives and will have access to a parking space. They don’t and won’t. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
COYR Posted January 24, 2018 Share Posted January 24, 2018 5 minutes ago, lubo_blaha said: You assume that everyone drives and will have access to a parking space. They don’t and won’t. He's an idiot who wants the stadium close to his house. There's nothing more to it. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sjc Posted January 24, 2018 Share Posted January 24, 2018 1 minute ago, COYR said: He's an idiot who wants the stadium close to his house. There's nothing more to it. I'll look forward to 3000 Celtic/Rangers* fans shitting and pissing in his garden on matchdays......every cloud and all that! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
COYR Posted January 24, 2018 Share Posted January 24, 2018 1 minute ago, sjc said: I'll look forward to 3000 Celtic/Rangers* fans shitting and pissing in his garden on matchdays......every cloud and all that! Should actually be some laugh when either of those turn up in Westhill. Those who were so offended at claims of bad behaviour from football fans will be in hiding. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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