Ira Gaines Posted February 9, 2018 Share Posted February 9, 2018 As a rule, if you have Granny this worked up about something, you're probably doing something right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coprolite Posted February 9, 2018 Share Posted February 9, 2018 my granddad was one. he stopped going because it was "a load of bloody rubbish". He decided this after retiring and reaping the benefits of membership, paltry though they were. He explained it that the catholics controlled the unions so the proddies had to stick together to stand up to them. ffwd 50 years and read scots v brits or brits v europeans or west v muslims. All these false made up categories sadden me. tribal hatred should be expressed only through football rivalries. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jambomo Posted February 9, 2018 Share Posted February 9, 2018 2 hours ago, Stinky Bone said: I have read a lot of things about freemasonry, it is a subject that interests me. For it to be a "secret society" it is not very good at it. A quick google search will bring up many individual lodge websites where you can find information about it. The Grand Lodge of Scotland has a website, and I discovered that they even do open days. In fact, many lodges open their doors to non masons to let them have a look around. In freemason lodges the discussion of religion and politics is forbidden and would result in a freemason being banned. Using freemasonry as a step towards promotion in a job is also forbidden. They are a charitable organisation that admits men of any religion, colour or creed. The Grand Lodge of Scotland website shows that they raised over £288 thousand pounds for Prostate cancer, which I think is a tremendous amount to a worthy charity. Individual lodges also raise money for local charities which could be anything from football equipment for the local team to donations to hospital wards. All in all, the freemasons get a bad press. I am grateful that we have this "secret society" to help raise money for worthy causes. I think the secret of the society doesn't come from its existence, nor its building, practices or history. The secrets lie in who its members are and the politics behind it, this isn't particularly different from many other societies but other societies don't necessarily have the reach or the ability to help others beyond their own sphere of influence or local connections. Regardless of what they claim is forbidden, it pretty clearly goes on. Many of the last few MET police commisoners have been trying to break the links between the Police and Freemasons because they are that concerned about its influence, and spoke about it around December-time. Theres no point in pretending there aren't issues around at leasst some of its members abusing the link between members and power they hold in their day-jobs. I've seen a lot of people defend it on the idea that its good and raises a lot of money for charity, which is true. Its great they do that and I am sure that many of its members value that alone. Doing a lot for charity doesn't somehow mean that it can't also be a society that breaks its own rules and uses its influence in a bad way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
invergowrie arab Posted February 9, 2018 Share Posted February 9, 2018 26 minutes ago, Granny Danger said: Given what I said about weirdos and fuckwits, im not surprised that you were involved. And for the record my goat fucking experience(s) had nothing to do with wanting to join the Masons. Knows well enough to tie the legs together to keep from being blackballed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Granny Danger Posted February 9, 2018 Author Share Posted February 9, 2018 11 minutes ago, Jambomo said: I think the secret of the society doesn't come from its existence, nor its building, practices or history. The secrets lie in who its members are and the politics behind it, this isn't particularly different from many other societies but other societies don't necessarily have the reach or the ability to help others beyond their own sphere of influence or local connections. Regardless of what they claim is forbidden, it pretty clearly goes on. Many of the last few MET police commisoners have been trying to break the links between the Police and Freemasons because they are that concerned about its influence, and spoke about it around December-time. Theres no point in pretending there aren't issues around at leasst some of its members abusing the link between members and power they hold in their day-jobs. I've seen a lot of people defend it on the idea that its good and raises a lot of money for charity, which is true. Its great they do that and I am sure that many of its members value that alone. Doing a lot for charity doesn't somehow mean that it can't also be a society that breaks its own rules and uses its influence in a bad way. Good post. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BFTD Posted February 9, 2018 Share Posted February 9, 2018 "Doing a lot for charity" is probably just about the most suspicious thing the Masons could do these days Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The OP Posted February 9, 2018 Share Posted February 9, 2018 Kinda think being in the Masons is like having a personalised number plate. You think lots of people view you as a twat for a myriad of reasons such as jealousy or ignorance, failing to see the most likely explanation that you are actually just a twat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tamthebam Posted February 9, 2018 Share Posted February 9, 2018 11 hours ago, welshbairn said: What's not to like? wait a fockin' minute that face looks familiar... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
williemillersmoustache Posted February 12, 2018 Share Posted February 12, 2018 On 09/02/2018 at 20:34, BigFatTabbyDave said: "Doing a lot for charity" is probably just about the most suspicious thing the Masons could do these days "This includes paying private school fees for the children of masons, when life-changing circumstances prevent them from meeting the costs themselves. They also pay for “specialist tuition, and a host of extracurricular activities”. According to the latest accounts, the MCF also pays for masons to have private healthcare when NHS waiting lists are too long. The charity says: “Most grants involve a financial test to ensure that support is targeted to those who need it most.” Other grants include “daily living expenses” for “Masonic families who are unable to afford everyday living costs and to participate actively in their community”. This includes financial help with household bills and “a reasonable allowance for leisure activities”. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Honest_Man#1 Posted February 12, 2018 Share Posted February 12, 2018 6 minutes ago, williemillersmoustache said: "This includes paying private school fees for the children of masons, when life-changing circumstances prevent them from meeting the costs themselves. They also pay for “specialist tuition, and a host of extracurricular activities”. According to the latest accounts, the MCF also pays for masons to have private healthcare when NHS waiting lists are too long. The charity says: “Most grants involve a financial test to ensure that support is targeted to those who need it most.” Other grants include “daily living expenses” for “Masonic families who are unable to afford everyday living costs and to participate actively in their community”. This includes financial help with household bills and “a reasonable allowance for leisure activities”. Utterly pathetic, and contrary to what the Masonic lovers on the thread thus far tried to pretend was the case. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
williemillersmoustache Posted February 12, 2018 Share Posted February 12, 2018 Just now, Honest_Man#1 said: Utterly pathetic, and contrary to what the Masonic lovers on the thread thus far tried to pretend was the case. Innit, particularly enjoyed the "not a protected characteristic" part too. If only the BBC tried a little bit harder but one assumes they're riddled with the c***s too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DA Baracus Posted February 12, 2018 Share Posted February 12, 2018 An ex of mine’s dad was in the Masons. One time I went along to a meeting as the bird was going and I was just chumming her along. Dunfermline were playing Oldco at East End that night (I was skint so didn’t go; it was the game when Brewster scored a lovely goal and folk cried saying that Klos would have saved it if we didn’t have an artificial pitch) and, save for the ex’s old man, every single person there was an Oldco fan, despite all of them being local to that area of Fife. Anyway, when the actual meeting started they all went in to the main hall and locked the doors, so I have no idea what went on. The whole thing just seems a bit daft and boring, especially the rituals and customs. I currently stay not too far from a lodge in the Hilltown (the one opposite the bakery) yet I’ve never actually seen anyone enter or leave, although given that I don’t hang around looking for such an event to happen, that’s probably not surprising. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MacDuffman Posted February 12, 2018 Share Posted February 12, 2018 45 minutes ago, williemillersmoustache said: "This includes paying private school fees for the children of masons, when life-changing circumstances prevent them from meeting the costs themselves. They also pay for “specialist tuition, and a host of extracurricular activities”. According to the latest accounts, the MCF also pays for masons to have private healthcare when NHS waiting lists are too long. The charity says: “Most grants involve a financial test to ensure that support is targeted to those who need it most.” Other grants include “daily living expenses” for “Masonic families who are unable to afford everyday living costs and to participate actively in their community”. This includes financial help with household bills and “a reasonable allowance for leisure activities”. A bit like those Rangers style loans - no need to repay them? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
williemillersmoustache Posted February 12, 2018 Share Posted February 12, 2018 If you could find a lawyer that wasn't one, you could open discrimination proceedings for only paying the school, medical fees and living costs of other masons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Moonster Posted February 12, 2018 Share Posted February 12, 2018 On 09/02/2018 at 16:09, Stinky Bone said: I have read a lot of things about freemasonry, it is a subject that interests me. For it to be a "secret society" it is not very good at it. A quick google search will bring up many individual lodge websites where you can find information about it. The Grand Lodge of Scotland has a website, and I discovered that they even do open days. In fact, many lodges open their doors to non masons to let them have a look around. In freemason lodges the discussion of religion and politics is forbidden and would result in a freemason being banned. Using freemasonry as a step towards promotion in a job is also forbidden. They are a charitable organisation that admits men of any religion, colour or creed. The Grand Lodge of Scotland website shows that they raised over £288 thousand pounds for Prostate cancer, which I think is a tremendous amount to a worthy charity. Individual lodges also raise money for local charities which could be anything from football equipment for the local team to donations to hospital wards. All in all, the freemasons get a bad press. I am grateful that we have this "secret society" to help raise money for worthy causes. ^^^Mason found. Why would a bunch of guys who just do some charity work and have laugh with each other need to build lodges all over the world, have secret members and handshakes and carry out initiation ceremonies? If the answer is "because those people are complete losers with nothing better to do in their life" then I'll accept that the freemasons are as you say. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zen Archer (Raconteur) Posted February 12, 2018 Share Posted February 12, 2018 Is there a Woger or a Woderick? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BFTD Posted February 12, 2018 Share Posted February 12, 2018 I'm frankly shocked that the Freemasons would be using a charitable facade to further their own members' interests. It just flies in the face of the popular image of the organisation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unleash The Nade Posted February 13, 2018 Share Posted February 13, 2018 On 08/02/2018 at 20:41, Granny Danger said: Surely if people want to do good charitable work to hey can do so without joining this bunch of weirdos. Aye, they could go and work for Oxfam overseas ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Moonster Posted February 13, 2018 Share Posted February 13, 2018 17 hours ago, G_Man1985 said: It's not just guys these days who are masons. Women also go to certain ones that i know of certainly. Times are changing regarding it being an all man club. Handshakes also don't happen in everyone also. Initiation ceremonies do happen but again can be different. It's just a club with different people who hang out and the ones I know do good by raising money for good causes. It's not really that secret either, they just don't go about saying "hey there I'm a mason" Yeh regarding these losers who don't have nothing better to do in their life, you could be spot on. But doing things for good causes can't be a bad thing surely? That's all masons do then? Hang out with other masons and do good for the local community? Why do they need a secret club (which you need to believe in God for) to do such things? Couldn't they just, you know, join a local charity? If it's not a secret why can't they tell people they're a mason? If it's not a secret why do they have a handshake that yer main man isn't able to show people? If it's not a secret why do they hold meetings for members only? If it's not a secret why is there so much rumour and assumption about what goes on at masonic lodges? Doing things for charity isn't a bad thing, it's a commendable thing. Having a secret club which you tell people isn't a secret whilst keeping things secret from them is not a commendable thing, it's embarrassing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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