Salt n Vinegar Posted May 10 Share Posted May 10 9 minutes ago, Billy Jean King said: The very fact that there is growing discussion across all media of a potential LibLab pact as an outcome at the next GE says all you need to know. Starmer has the biggest gaping, chasm of an open goal and still there is a realistic chance he is going to blow it. I too am not convinced that the Labour 'revival' will deliver a majority for Starmer at Westminster. Any time now, he'll probably start going full Trump... 'we're gonna win bigly, and if we don't it could only be because of fraud/bibery/Corbynites/Venezuela/the Russians/the Chinese....' Of course he won't mention by name the real enemy of his chances, the Mail, the Express, the Telegraph, etc. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StellarHibee Posted May 10 Share Posted May 10 2 hours ago, Salt n Vinegar said: I too am not convinced that the Labour 'revival' will deliver a majority for Starmer at Westminster. Any time now, he'll probably start going full Trump... 'we're gonna win bigly, and if we don't it could only be because of fraud/bibery/Corbynites/Venezuela/the Russians/the Chinese....' Of course he won't mention by name the real enemy of his chances, the Mail, the Express, the Telegraph, etc. And himself. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KirkieRR Posted May 10 Share Posted May 10 Interpretation by The National so pinch of salt - but any flood of support for Labour and the Union over SNP self-harm seems to have reached high tide. https://www.thenational.scot/news/23512393.scottish-independence-support-rising-according-new-poll/ Labour will be gutted, the Tories will be gutted, so will ALBA (3%!). And, I think, Mad Wings Stuart. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tamthebam Posted May 11 Share Posted May 11 Labour back in the day had links with the SDLP who are, the last time I looked, a Nationalist party. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KirkieRR Posted May 12 Share Posted May 12 Indeed. Consistency is not Labour's God. Some of them (Corbzy) are even pally with Sinn Fein, who are nationalists with a record of killing people. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
O'Kelly Isley III Posted May 12 Share Posted May 12 I'm looking forward to the doorstep visit from the bright-eyed and bushy-tailed student Labour activists who appear here at election time. Amongst other things I'll be asking for their thoughts on Starmer's views on student tuition fees, and just how Scottish Labour will tell it's London masters to f**k off when they try and blight my two teenage grand-daughters life chances by enforcing uniformity with England. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KirkieRR Posted May 12 Share Posted May 12 We actually had s LibDem canvassing today. They're targeting the SNP-held East Dunbartonshire seat they lost, and we're being shifted into it through boundary changes. Local LibDems regularly go into council coalutions with Tories and Labour, and their candidate is a certifiable Councillor who was really keen on shutting our library. So the LibDems can chuff right off. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doulikefish Posted May 13 Share Posted May 13 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HTG Posted May 13 Share Posted May 13 14 minutes ago, doulikefish said: Where is this taken from? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Salt n Vinegar Posted May 13 Share Posted May 13 9 minutes ago, HTG said: Where is this taken from? Dunno about that, but there's a quote in the Independent... "“And look – if that sounds conservative, then let me tell you: I don’t care. Somebody has got to stand up for the things that make this country great and it isn’t going to be the Tories,” extracts from his speech pre-briefed by Labour say." Looks like he's in danger of going full Trump... Except in our case, his silly hats will say "Make the UK grate again". 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DA Baracus Posted May 13 Share Posted May 13 https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/keir-stamer-conservative-new-labour-b2337901.html 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan Steele Posted May 13 Share Posted May 13 Guardian were also reporting his 'conservative' statement earlier. KEIR Starmer will say he does not care if he "sounds conservative" in a speech in which he will pledge to be "on steroids" in his mission to reform Labour. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob in Denny Posted May 13 Share Posted May 13 I still think Starmer is a Tory plant... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Salt n Vinegar Posted May 13 Share Posted May 13 2 hours ago, Bob in Denny said: I still think Starmer is a Tory plant... Well, with Labour and the Tories, they are some pear. (reaches for coat.) 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob in Denny Posted May 13 Share Posted May 13 1 minute ago, Salt n Vinegar said: Well, with Labour and the Tories, they are some pear. (reaches for coat.) That fair cherryed me up... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thane of Cawdor Posted May 13 Share Posted May 13 The removal of the aspirations of Clause iv ended my membership of the Labour Party. I didn't seriously believe that any Labour Government would strive to meet the objectives of that Clause; but, however symbolic and romantic, it somehow kept the Party connected to the principles of Socialism. I now have no idea how to categorise the fundamental beliefs of the Labour Party, other than that they should be in Government and will say and do anything to realise that objective. We've now had another 13 years of Tory misrule and it appears that this era will continue if the appalling Starmer leads the next Government. f**k knows what will be in the Labour Party General Election Manifesto, but it should be an entertaining read in a bitter, tragi-comic way. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BMG Spider Posted May 15 Share Posted May 15 On 13/05/2023 at 16:29, Thane of Cawdor said: The removal of the aspirations of Clause iv ended my membership of the Labour Party. I didn't seriously believe that any Labour Government would strive to meet the objectives of that Clause; but, however symbolic and romantic, it somehow kept the Party connected to the principles of Socialism. I now have no idea how to categorise the fundamental beliefs of the Labour Party, other than that they should be in Government and will say and do anything to realise that objective. We've now had another 13 years of Tory misrule and it appears that this era will continue if the appalling Starmer leads the next Government. f**k knows what will be in the Labour Party General Election Manifesto, but it should be an entertaining read in a bitter, tragi-comic way. Playing spot the difference with the Tory manifesto might make it interesting 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KirkieRR Posted May 16 Share Posted May 16 https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-65593353 Sirkier 'Peter Butterworth' Starmer responds to Braverman's latest hysteria by criticising her mainly for knocking British workers, not for pursuing a cruel immigration policy. Actual fruit pickers may also resent his suggestion that their job is the lowest of the low. Elsewhere he's credited as also criticising the Tory failure to fulfil their immigration reduction promises. Again rather than condemning the heartlessness of their methods. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StellarHibee Posted May 16 Share Posted May 16 1 hour ago, KirkieRR said: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-65593353 Sirkier 'Peter Butterworth' Starmer responds to Braverman's latest hysteria by criticising her mainly for knocking British workers, not for pursuing a cruel immigration policy. Actual fruit pickers may also resent his suggestion that their job is the lowest of the low. Elsewhere he's credited as also criticising the Tory failure to fulfil their immigration reduction promises. Again rather than condemning the heartlessness of their methods. Hardly surprising when you look at the "Labour" policy agenda under Starmer. https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1655578919079145476.html 1) Keeping anti-protest laws 2) Not taxing the wealthiest in our society 3) Keeping services in private hands 4) Keeping tuition fees 5) Tagging migrants 6) Keeping some forms of conversion therapy 7) Visiting anti-LGBTQ+ churches 8) No freedom of movement 9) Attack unions 10) Not increase wages by inflation 11) Not supporting striking workers 12) Continue to privatise the NHS 13) Thatcher inspired policies on crime 14) Continue austerity 15) Nationalism, not nationalisation 16) Giving up on democracy 17) Coalitions with the Conservatives in councils 18) Sectarian politicians 19) Endorsements from Conservatives 20) Hierarchy of racism 21) Black Lives Who? 22) UKIP style immigration 23) TW: Domestic Abuse 24) Channel Crossings 25) TW: Brianna Ghey's murder 26) Rejecting electoral reform 27) Who cares about Kashmir? 28) Broken promises 29) Thatcher's Housing Policy 30) Rent freeze? lol 31) Cutting benefits 32) Similar immigration policies 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coprolite Posted May 19 Share Posted May 19 https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-65638171 It might have been better to wait until after the election to remove the mask? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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