ICTJohnboy Posted January 17, 2019 Share Posted January 17, 2019 There's something far wrong with Labour's process of electing a leader. Corbyn should never have been in the running in the first place, and yet not only did he win, he managed to increase his majority after the last challenge to his leadership from Owen Smith in 2016. Had Smith succeeded in his leadership bid, I honestly don't think the country would be in the mess it is in now. Surely it's time they had a rethink on their current process of electing the leader, and furthermore asking themselves if Corbyn is the right man for the job? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Granny Danger Posted January 17, 2019 Share Posted January 17, 2019 7 hours ago, ICTJohnboy said: There's something far wrong with Labour's process of electing a leader. Corbyn should never have been in the running in the first place, and yet not only did he win, he managed to increase his majority after the last challenge to his leadership from Owen Smith in 2016. Had Smith succeeded in his leadership bid, I honestly don't think the country would be in the mess it is in now. Surely it's time they had a rethink on their current process of electing the leader, and furthermore asking themselves if Corbyn is the right man for the job? 24 minutes ago, MixuFixit said: Smith is a centrist and would have lost the 2017 election. That is not a defense of Corbyn. What they need is a pro EU social democrat leader. They would still be crucified by the press if they had this though. What they need is someone with Cotbyn’s general politics who is not stubborn and anti EU and who is not a useless twat. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RiG Posted January 17, 2019 Share Posted January 17, 2019 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NotThePars Posted January 17, 2019 Share Posted January 17, 2019 Substituting Corbyn’s grassroots led manifesto for Owen Smith bragging about the size of his knob and pretending that he doesn’t know the name of a latte? I too think an unprecedented surge of voters would have returned to Labour. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrewDon Posted January 17, 2019 Share Posted January 17, 2019 Owen Smith, great politician imo. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miguel Sanchez Posted January 17, 2019 Share Posted January 17, 2019 Owen Smith's name doesn't have enough syllables to be sung to the tune of Seven Nation Army by the White Stripes, so he was obviously a non-starter. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arsenal till I die Posted January 17, 2019 Share Posted January 17, 2019 11 hours ago, ICTJohnboy said: There's something far wrong with Labour's process of electing a leader. Corbyn should never have been in the running in the first place, and yet not only did he win, he managed to increase his majority after the last challenge to his leadership from Owen Smith in 2016. Had Smith succeeded in his leadership bid, I honestly don't think the country would be in the mess it is in now. Surely it's time they had a rethink on their current process of electing the leader, and furthermore asking themselves if Corbyn is the right man for the job? Maybe you should f**k off and join the Lib Dems if you want us to choose between the same old right wing shite. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Granny Danger Posted January 17, 2019 Share Posted January 17, 2019 33 minutes ago, DrewDon said: Owen Smith, great politician imo. Says the man who’s hero is Tony Blair. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
renton Posted January 17, 2019 Share Posted January 17, 2019 3 minutes ago, Arsenal till I die said: Maybe you should f**k off and join the Lib Dems if you want us to choose between the same old right wing shite. It shouldn't be a choice between the "same old right wing shite" - Years of Thatcherism and then Blair have hollowed the Labour party out. Corbyn has the politics but not the leadership qualities. Anyone can be radically left wing, not everyone can lead, and Corbyn is as Corbyn always was - a man of conviction with little to show beyond that. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ICTJohnboy Posted January 17, 2019 Share Posted January 17, 2019 7 minutes ago, Arsenal till I die said: Maybe you should f**k off and join the Lib Dems if you want us to choose between the same old right wing shite. I'm happy enough to be a member of the SNP. All I was trying to say was it's a pity May's government doesn't have any opposition. Your heid's up your arsenal. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Granny Danger Posted January 17, 2019 Share Posted January 17, 2019 5 minutes ago, ICTJohnboy said: I'm happy enough to be a member of the SNP. All I was trying to say was it's a pity May's government doesn't have any opposition. Your heid's up your arsenal. I’m a member of the SNP too but I don’t want another right wing labour leader/PM. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrewDon Posted January 17, 2019 Share Posted January 17, 2019 25 minutes ago, Granny Danger said: Says the man who’s hero is Tony Blair. RT if you want these two legends to come back and sort out Brexit! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NotThePars Posted January 17, 2019 Share Posted January 17, 2019 Poor GD, his brain is dying. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted January 17, 2019 Share Posted January 17, 2019 31 minutes ago, renton said: It shouldn't be a choice between the "same old right wing shite" - Years of Thatcherism and then Blair have hollowed the Labour party out. Corbyn has the politics but not the leadership qualities. Anyone can be radically left wing, not everyone can lead, and Corbyn is as Corbyn always was - a man of conviction with little to show beyond that. It's the tactics that are letting him down in my mind, and those are probably more down to McDonnell. Standing back while a minority Government takes us off the cliff edge with the idea that the blame will all land on the Tories instead of Labour for allowing it to happen. The only people doing anything to stop it are Tories like Dominique Grieve and Nick Boles and Labour backbenchers like Hilary Benn. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Detournement Posted January 17, 2019 Share Posted January 17, 2019 What have Grieve, Boles and Benn done? Grieve abstained on his own amendment and has almost always voted with the government. Benn has voted with Corbyn on every vote as far as I am aware. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Detournement Posted January 17, 2019 Share Posted January 17, 2019 The idea that Big Pharma stooge Owen Smith is what we need is absurd. "Leadership" means nothing it's just rhetoric. What people on the left want is someone to hold power who can be trusted to stand up and confront the banks, multinational corporations, housebuilders, the carbon industry and neocon warmongers in the interest of ordinary people. Corbyn and McDonnell are just about the only two politicians in the country who can be trusted to do that. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BawWatchin Posted January 17, 2019 Share Posted January 17, 2019 Has it occured to anyone that Corbyn has missed these open goals on purpose, because he simply doesn't want to take over what he see's as a sinking ship? He's been a protester his whole life, protesting is all he knows. He isn't a man with workable solutions, so he's quite happy to remain the opposition for as long as possible. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BawWatchin Posted January 17, 2019 Share Posted January 17, 2019 1 minute ago, Detournement said: What people on the left want is someone to hold power who can be trusted to stand up and confront the banks, multinational corporations, housebuilders, the carbon industry and neocon warmongers in the interest of ordinary people. Corbyn and McDonnell are just about the only two politicians in the country who can be trusted to do that. But they don't want to be in a position of power where they're actually under pressure to do any of that. Which is why they're doing their best against the worst government in history to avoid taking over. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BawWatchin Posted January 17, 2019 Share Posted January 17, 2019 Just now, Tynierose said: Nah he genuinely is a useless c**t. Perhaps, but I think he's aware of it himself. Which is why he's quite happy to remain as opposition. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Detournement Posted January 17, 2019 Share Posted January 17, 2019 2 minutes ago, BawWatchin said: But they don't want to be in a position of power where they're actually under pressure to do any of that. Which is why they're doing their best against the worst government in history to avoid taking over. There is nothing that can be done by Corbyn to force Tory and DUP MPs to vote for an election. If they are to vote for an election it will be because of how events play out leading up to April. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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