carpetmonster Posted May 21, 2023 Share Posted May 21, 2023 Good piece from Nesrine Malik; sticking it here but it could have just as easily gone in the Tory Lies or Labour's Pointless threads https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2023/may/21/tories-opposition-danger-national-conservatism-conference-rightwing 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coprolite Posted May 23, 2023 Share Posted May 23, 2023 On 21/05/2023 at 15:59, carpetmonster said: Good piece from Nesrine Malik; sticking it here but it could have just as easily gone in the Tory Lies or Labour's Pointless threads https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2023/may/21/tories-opposition-danger-national-conservatism-conference-rightwing That’s almost unreadable. The guardian needs to employ people who can write. This is one sentence: “The values ecosystem, populated by a majority rightwing media, gullible and compromised institutions such as the BBC and the vocal representatives of well funded, opaque thinktanks such as Policy Exchange and the Legatum Institute (both represented at the conference) has successfully blocked any change in attitudes from materialising in the form of policy or a progressive political programme. “ A maze of parentheses and sub clauses. Rubbish. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Theroadlesstravelled Posted June 2, 2023 Share Posted June 2, 2023 Roger Waters did not sport a costume resembling an SS officer and omitted a controversial comparison between Israel and the Nazis at his Birmingham concert Wednesday, after attracting criticism and sparking a German police probe for such acts during previous legs of the tour. Without looking I'd wager a large amount of cash that he's hard Brexit, Trump man. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
craigkillie Posted June 2, 2023 Share Posted June 2, 2023 6 minutes ago, Theroadlesstravelled said: Roger Waters did not sport a costume resembling an SS officer and omitted a controversial comparison between Israel and the Nazis at his Birmingham concert Wednesday, after attracting criticism and sparking a German police probe for such acts during previous legs of the tour. Without looking I'd wager a large amount of cash that he's hard Brexit, Trump man. He is neither of those things. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted June 2, 2023 Share Posted June 2, 2023 1 hour ago, Theroadlesstravelled said: Roger Waters did not sport a costume resembling an SS officer and omitted a controversial comparison between Israel and the Nazis at his Birmingham concert Wednesday, after attracting criticism and sparking a German police probe for such acts during previous legs of the tour. At his concerts in Germany, he projected onto screens the following names of victims of state murder, I've added the nation that murdered them: George Floyd, Breonna Taylor, Philando Castile - USA Shireen Abu Akleh, Rachel Corrie - Israel Sophie Scholl, Anne Frank - Germany Blair Peach - UK Mahsa Amini - Iran Stanislav Tomas - Czech Republic Mawda Shawri - Belgium Adama Traore - France Peach, Corrie and Scholl were each murdered for opposing the state targeting of an ethnic group. The rest were all murdered for being a member of a state targeted ethnic group. The two named victims of the German state, Scholl and Frank, were murdered by the Nazi government. So, yes, Waters equivalated between those two specific Nazi murders and the two specific Israeli murders of Abu Akleh and Corrie. The thing is, though, he also equivalated between those two Nazi murders and the highlighted murders by USA, UK, Iran, Czech Republic, Belgium and France. So I'm unsure how Israel became the special sausages here. Cynical reporting. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Theroadlesstravelled Posted June 3, 2023 Share Posted June 3, 2023 1 hour ago, FreedomFarter said: At his concerts in Germany, he projected onto screens the following names of victims of state murder, I've added the nation that murdered them: George Floyd, Breonna Taylor, Philando Castile - USA Shireen Abu Akleh, Rachel Corrie - Israel Sophie Scholl, Anne Frank - Germany Blair Peach - UK Mahsa Amini - Iran Stanislav Tomas - Czech Republic Mawda Shawri - Belgium Adama Traore - France Peach, Corrie and Scholl were each murdered for opposing the state targeting of an ethnic group. The rest were all murdered for being a member of a state targeted ethnic group. The two named victims of the German state, Scholl and Frank, were murdered by the Nazi government. So, yes, Waters equivalated between those two specific Nazi murders and the two specific Israeli murders of Abu Akleh and Corrie. The thing is, though, he also equivalated between those two Nazi murders and the highlighted murders by USA, UK, Iran, Czech Republic, Belgium and France. So I'm unsure how Israel became the special sausages here. Cynical reporting. OK, I get it. Pork. Funny. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted June 3, 2023 Share Posted June 3, 2023 Whit? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wee-Bey Posted June 3, 2023 Share Posted June 3, 2023 Surprised it took this long for the bad faith Roger Waters, antisemitism stuff to hit the forum. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted June 3, 2023 Share Posted June 3, 2023 Waters had a lot to say about Russia's invasion of Ukraine earlier this year. Personally, I thought his takes were terrible and I consider him one of the few public figures who the label "Putin apologist" can be fairly applied to. Media criticism of him on that issue was entirely on what he had said and done. Which is surely reasonable. Yet with this current criticism of him, we're being implored to imagine something of him despite what he actually did being something else. It's being demanded we imagine him to be antisemitic when what he did was highlight specific instances of wrongoing by the Israeli state. If we accept that premise then its going to make public discussion of Israeli wrongdoing very difficult. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moomintroll Posted June 4, 2023 Share Posted June 4, 2023 As much as I cannot be doing with Waters World view, while recognising his songwriting genius, he is playing a character from The Wall on stage. There is nothing sinister about it, he hates Nazis because they killed his father. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coprolite Posted June 4, 2023 Share Posted June 4, 2023 On 03/06/2023 at 00:51, FreedomFarter said: At his concerts in Germany, he projected onto screens the following names of victims of state murder, I've added the nation that murdered them: George Floyd, Breonna Taylor, Philando Castile - USA Shireen Abu Akleh, Rachel Corrie - Israel Sophie Scholl, Anne Frank - Germany Blair Peach - UK Mahsa Amini - Iran Stanislav Tomas - Czech Republic Mawda Shawri - Belgium Adama Traore - France Peach, Corrie and Scholl were each murdered for opposing the state targeting of an ethnic group. The rest were all murdered for being a member of a state targeted ethnic group. The two named victims of the German state, Scholl and Frank, were murdered by the Nazi government. So, yes, Waters equivalated between those two specific Nazi murders and the two specific Israeli murders of Abu Akleh and Corrie. The thing is, though, he also equivalated between those two Nazi murders and the highlighted murders by USA, UK, Iran, Czech Republic, Belgium and France. So I'm unsure how Israel became the special sausages here. Cynical reporting. Is "equivalated" a real word? Spellcheck thinks so. I like it 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
velo army Posted June 4, 2023 Share Posted June 4, 2023 2 hours ago, coprolite said: Is "equivalated" a real word? Spellcheck thinks so. I like it Collins Dictionary has it as a "suggested word" submitted by another user, but doesn't itself have it as a word in the dictionary. It probably should be. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted June 4, 2023 Share Posted June 4, 2023 It's probably not a word then. I forgot the rule that if you wouldn't say something in conversation then don't type it in text. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Suspect Device Posted June 4, 2023 Share Posted June 4, 2023 Equivalated is a common word around our way. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Connolly Posted June 4, 2023 Share Posted June 4, 2023 Equivalated is a perfectly cromulent word. You lot should embiggen your vocabulary. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
velo army Posted June 4, 2023 Share Posted June 4, 2023 5 hours ago, FreedomFarter said: It's probably not a word then. I forgot the rule that if you wouldn't say something in conversation then don't type it in text. If you keep using it it'll become one. We can make it happen. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carpetmonster Posted June 4, 2023 Share Posted June 4, 2023 I wrote ‘decorational’ in an essay once, having seemingly forgotten that ‘decorative’ existed. Marker didn’t pull me up for it tho. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soapy FFC Posted June 4, 2023 Share Posted June 4, 2023 29 minutes ago, Mark Connolly said: Equivalated is a perfectly cromulent word. You lot should embiggen your vocabulary. My vocabulary is bigly enough. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BFTD Posted June 4, 2023 Share Posted June 4, 2023 44 minutes ago, carpetmonster said: I wrote ‘decorational’ in an essay once, having seemingly forgotten that ‘decorative’ existed. Marker didn’t pull me up for it tho. It appears to have become an actual word in the intervening years, likely due to your use of it. This is the world in which we live. P&B needs to invent a word that we can inject into the zeitgeist. I don't think we've affected the outside world since the Mumsnet fiasco. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carpetmonster Posted June 4, 2023 Share Posted June 4, 2023 1 minute ago, BTFD said: It appears to have become an actual word in the intervening years, likely due to your use of it. This is the world in which we live. P&B needs to invent a word that we can inject into the zeitgeist. I don't think we've affected the outside world since the Mumsnet fiasco. Mubtumbo might be a good name for an off-brand Um Bongo 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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