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26 minutes ago, The Golden God said:

Is it worth enduring GSTK if we get to hear the Italian anthem after it? 

Remarkable optimism that a guy who hasn't won a race in years and has routinely been slower than his team mate, can switch to a clownshoes outfit like Ferrari and suddenly be on the top step of the podium again.

FWIW, I think he'll get utterly embarrassed by Leclerc.

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19 minutes ago, Boo Khaki said:

Remarkable optimism that a guy who hasn't won a race in years and has routinely been slower than his team mate, can switch to a clownshoes outfit like Ferrari and suddenly be on the top step of the podium again.

FWIW, I think he'll get utterly embarrassed by Leclerc.

Ferrari still have a pull than no other team has, and a lot of drivers go there thinking they can turn them around - Alonso and Vettel to name but two. Ayrton Senna would almost certainly have finished his career there had he lived.

The last guy who did turn them around was Michael Schumacher, although having Jean Todt and Ross Brawn there certainly helped. Hamilton took a leap when he joined Mercedes all those years ago and it paid off, so who knows?

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4 minutes ago, Boo Khaki said:

Remarkable optimism that a guy who hasn't won a race in years and has routinely been slower than his team mate, can switch to a clownshoes outfit like Ferrari and suddenly be on the top step of the podium again.

FWIW, I think he'll get utterly embarrassed by Leclerc.

I know that this board has a huge dislike (verging on almost creepy at times) for Lewis...but the facts just don't back you up here.

2023 head to head between Lewis and George.

  • Lewis finished 3rd in the championship, George 8th
  • Lewis finished ahead of George 15 times in 2023, George only beating Lewis 7 times.
  • Tied in qualifying 11-11
  • Lewis got a pole position last season, George didn't
  • Lewis finished on the podium 6 times, George's only had 2 visits to the podium
  • Lewis best finish was 2nd (twice) while George only got to the third step (twice)
  • Lewis had 4 fastest laps compared to George's 1
  • Lewis finished in the points 20 times out of 22 races last season, George finished in the points 17 times last season.

The only area George beats Lewis is in the sprint races

  • George beat Lewis 4-2 in head to head during sprint shutout's
  • George beat Lewis 4-2 in head to head during the sprint races
  • Yet Lewis was the only Merc driver to finish on the podium in a sprint race

Lewis isn't as good as he used to be, partly down to car, partly down to natural decline as he gets older....but to suggest he was beaten by George last year just doesn't hold any weight.  

Lewis is still a good driver, more than capable of winning a race (as is George/Sainz/LecLerc etc), the only issue is whether the gap has been closed enough to allow anyone else to have a solid chance of winning a race without having to rely on misfortune to fall upon the Red Bulls.

 

 

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2 hours ago, Mackie The Staggie said:

I know that this board has a huge dislike (verging on almost creepy at times) for Lewis...but the facts just don't back you up here.

2023 head to head between Lewis and George.

  • Lewis finished 3rd in the championship, George 8th
  • Lewis finished ahead of George 15 times in 2023, George only beating Lewis 7 times.
  • Tied in qualifying 11-11
  • Lewis got a pole position last season, George didn't
  • Lewis finished on the podium 6 times, George's only had 2 visits to the podium
  • Lewis best finish was 2nd (twice) while George only got to the third step (twice)
  • Lewis had 4 fastest laps compared to George's 1
  • Lewis finished in the points 20 times out of 22 races last season, George finished in the points 17 times last season.

The only area George beats Lewis is in the sprint races

  • George beat Lewis 4-2 in head to head during sprint shutout's
  • George beat Lewis 4-2 in head to head during the sprint races
  • Yet Lewis was the only Merc driver to finish on the podium in a sprint race

Lewis isn't as good as he used to be, partly down to car, partly down to natural decline as he gets older....but to suggest he was beaten by George last year just doesn't hold any weight.  

Lewis is still a good driver, more than capable of winning a race (as is George/Sainz/LecLerc etc), the only issue is whether the gap has been closed enough to allow anyone else to have a solid chance of winning a race without having to rely on misfortune to fall upon the Red Bulls.

 

 

I did not suggest Hamilton was "beaten by George last year", that's how you chose to misinterpret the word "routine".  Take into account both seasons as Merc team mates, i.e. 2022 & 2023, and over the piece Russell has routinely been as quick as Hamilton, and the quicker of the two on frequent occasions.

"Routinely" does not mean "at every single race" or "in both seasons", it means that it's been fairly commonplace to the extent that it isn't in any way shocking or surprising when it happens.

Sprint races are not the only area Hamilton is lagging behind Russell, given that Russell is the only one of the pair to actually achieve a race victory in their time as team mates.

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Lewis isn't as good as he used to be, partly down to car, partly down to natural decline as he gets older....but to suggest he was beaten by George last year just doesn't hold any weight

Just as well nobody suggested such a thing then, given that the standings show otherwise.

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Looking forward to the Brendan Rodgers style gushing over Ferrari by Hamilton. 

Sky F1 team will all be dressing it up as a shrewd move, where everyone knows deep down he's effectively finished at Ferrari. 

It'll all end in tears/ignominy 

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