welshbairn Posted June 23, 2019 Share Posted June 23, 2019 3 minutes ago, sparky88 said: Like defending a stabbing by saying doctors stab people with needles every day. Whit? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deanburn Dave Posted June 23, 2019 Share Posted June 23, 2019 What's acceptable in that situation is standing in front of her and telling her to leave or you'll call the police. Everything else is excessive IMO . 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted June 23, 2019 Share Posted June 23, 2019 1 minute ago, Deanburn Dave said: What's acceptable in that situation is standing in front of her and telling her to leave or you'll call the police. Everything else is excessive IMO . "Right you are sir, you've foiled my attempt to disrupt this event to publicise my cause, I'll quietly make my escape before the rozzers get here. Sorry to have been of any inconvenience." 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Connolly Posted June 23, 2019 Share Posted June 23, 2019 How come none of the other men she walked past before she got anywhere near Field thought that she was enough of a threat that she needed to be pinned against the pillar then marched out? It’s certainly not the vicious assault that it’s being framed as in some circles, but it should also not be brushed under the carpet. Totally over the top reaction from Field, and from people on both sides of the argument. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tibbermoresaint Posted June 23, 2019 Share Posted June 23, 2019 1 hour ago, Stinky Bone said: She decided not to press charges. In Scotland, the Procurator Fiscal decides. It isn't her decision. The CPS will decide. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barney Rubble Posted June 23, 2019 Share Posted June 23, 2019 Still not resigned? He has some neck. -1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BawWatchin Posted June 23, 2019 Share Posted June 23, 2019 13 minutes ago, Barney Rubble said: Still not resigned? He has some neck. and some wage.... and some expenses to protect. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inanimate Carbon Rod Posted June 24, 2019 Share Posted June 24, 2019 I'll bow to your superior knowledge but that surprises me a little. I'd have expected security for the chancellor of the exchequer to be a little more robust than you're suggesting.The armed officers guarding the chancellor would have been more robust had their been an actual threat to their protectee. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SandyCromarty Posted June 25, 2019 Share Posted June 25, 2019 As I have made it obvious on this forum I have absolutely no time for the tories or any of their policies past and present. However for me to live in a democracy everyone has the right to a political point of view and for others to have the same right to protest in a proper and safe manner. For me Field was definitely wrong in the forceful manner he apprehended the woman but he was right to stop her going any further. He did not know if the woman was armed or a suicide bomber, bear in mind the injuries suffered by tory party members when the IRA bombed Brighton's Grand Hotel. Peaceful or noisy protests are part of our society and have been for years but unfortunately in recent times fanatics have went a lot further, Lee Rigby. Obviously the whole incident begs the question as to why there was such a lack of security to allow her to get as far as she did. I was at Holyrood last week just at the end of Extinction Rebellions peaceful protest and the police presence was enormous inside and outside parliament, entry security was large and more intense with any bags having to be checked in and not allowed any further, as I mentioned this was right at the end of a peaceful protest yet it displays how serious the authorities maintain vigilance. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tirso Posted June 25, 2019 Share Posted June 25, 2019 Having seen it, I do not believe it was excessive at all. He wasn't punching the women or anything. She was apprehended and pinned. I think he's been hard done by here actually and I'm not one for sympathising with Tories. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tibbermoresaint Posted June 25, 2019 Share Posted June 25, 2019 10 minutes ago, tirso said: Having seen it, I do not believe it was excessive at all. He wasn't punching the women or anything. So as long as you don't punch a woman it's ok? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tirso Posted June 25, 2019 Share Posted June 25, 2019 Just now, Tibbermoresaint said: So as long as you don't punch a woman it's ok? In attributing excessive force? Certainly one of a few criteria yes. Would you say it isn't? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dirty dingus Posted June 25, 2019 Share Posted June 25, 2019 22 minutes ago, tirso said: In attributing excessive force? Certainly one of a few criteria yes. Would you say it isn't? He was a guest at an event not the security, he was just being a macho p***k. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Benjamin_Nevis Posted June 25, 2019 Share Posted June 25, 2019 Some incels properly outing themselves on this thread [emoji1] 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NotThePars Posted June 25, 2019 Share Posted June 25, 2019 Some incels properly outing themselves on this thread [emoji1] Lot of Gareth Keenans. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Blades Posted June 25, 2019 Share Posted June 25, 2019 He was a guest at an event not the security, he was just being a macho p***k.This is a valid point, especially given the talk earlier in the thread about door staff (bouncers) & reasonable / excessive force.If a member of the public took it upon themselves to act like that in a nightclub with no official capacity to do so, I think it would be seen as aggressive & unnecessary force. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jambomo Posted June 25, 2019 Share Posted June 25, 2019 5 hours ago, SandyCromarty said: He did not know if the woman was armed or a suicide bomber, bear in mind the injuries suffered by tory party members when the IRA bombed Brighton's Grand Hotel. He did know. You can clearly see her hands and that she was not carrying any weapon. You can clearly see by the thin dress she is wearing that she isn't a suicide bomber or concealing any weapons. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Granny Danger Posted June 25, 2019 Share Posted June 25, 2019 5 hours ago, SandyCromarty said: As I have made it obvious on this forum I have absolutely no time for the tories or any of their policies past and present. However for me to live in a democracy everyone has the right to a political point of view and for others to have the same right to protest in a proper and safe manner. For me Field was definitely wrong in the forceful manner he apprehended the woman but he was right to stop her going any further. He did not know if the woman was armed or a suicide bomber, bear in mind the injuries suffered by tory party members when the IRA bombed Brighton's Grand Hotel. Peaceful or noisy protests are part of our society and have been for years but unfortunately in recent times fanatics have went a lot further, Lee Rigby. Obviously the whole incident begs the question as to why there was such a lack of security to allow her to get as far as she did. I was at Holyrood last week just at the end of Extinction Rebellions peaceful protest and the police presence was enormous inside and outside parliament, entry security was large and more intense with any bags having to be checked in and not allowed any further, as I mentioned this was right at the end of a peaceful protest yet it displays how serious the authorities maintain vigilance. Get a fucking grip. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SandyCromarty Posted June 25, 2019 Share Posted June 25, 2019 8 minutes ago, Granny Danger said: Get a fucking grip. Really? There are plenty of nutters around, you've been on here for a very long time and you may recall a poster some years back who posted he had enough ammunition now to finish off three primary schools? I still have the post. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tibbermoresaint Posted June 25, 2019 Share Posted June 25, 2019 7 minutes ago, SandyCromarty said: Really? Yes. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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