O'Kelly Isley III Posted January 6, 2020 Share Posted January 6, 2020 If the Iranians have any nous they will avoid falling into the elephant trap of immediate retaliation. The longer they allow time to elapse, the more this assassination will resemble the illegal act it was.The guy above who dismissed Granny's claim of deflection is being naive in the extreme; Trump is desperate for something, anything, which could rescue his Presidency but if the Iranians hold their fire then they could finally bury it by goading him into some fresh atrocity which majority US and world opinion would condemn.The biggest mystery to me is why the Pentagon is allowing it. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeartsOfficialMoaner Posted January 6, 2020 Share Posted January 6, 2020 For me, the problem right now is the troops in Iraq and what should happen next. Once all the funeral stuff is over and Iraq insists that foreign troops have to leave and they don’t the civilians are going to get angry so that next step is confrontation. The foreign troops start shooting Iraqi civilians if they are set upon. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BFTD Posted January 6, 2020 Share Posted January 6, 2020 1 hour ago, Theroadlesstravelled said: You scream total bell end. Thanks for that. I didn't need another mental image of an elderly man yelling about bellends. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sureiknow Posted January 6, 2020 Share Posted January 6, 2020 33 minutes ago, O'Kelly Isley III said: Trump is desperate for something, anything, which could rescue his Presidency He's going to walk the next Election. He doesn't need rescued. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Pack Posted January 6, 2020 Share Posted January 6, 2020 Iranians before the Islamic Revolution. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
O'Kelly Isley III Posted January 6, 2020 Share Posted January 6, 2020 1 hour ago, sureiknow said: He's going to walk the next Election. He doesn't need rescued. Really ? Get yourself a copy of the 1997 movie 'Wag The Dog' and see if you recognise the script. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sureiknow Posted January 6, 2020 Share Posted January 6, 2020 1 minute ago, O'Kelly Isley III said: Really ? Get yourself a copy of the 1997 movie 'Wag The Dog' and see if you recognise the script. Then if you don't fancy him at 10/11 get your cash on Creepy Uncle Joe. 2nd favourite at 5/1. Free money eh? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony Ferrino Posted January 6, 2020 Share Posted January 6, 2020 41 minutes ago, Old Pack said: Iranians before the Islamic Revolution. Don’t know why people get so upset over this stuff. There are still plenty of other places to be be a sex tourist ya know. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flybhoy Posted January 6, 2020 Share Posted January 6, 2020 I've got £50 on a USA/France/Britain treble.... Iran next bomb to land and kill has to be worth a few quid at 25/1 though surely....? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carnoustie Young Guvnor Posted January 6, 2020 Share Posted January 6, 2020 8 hours ago, Detournement said: Nonsense. America acts in it's own interests. Israel is simply a consequence of US imperialism Not in the Middle East it doesn't. It often does things clearly against its own interests because they benefit Israel actually. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carnoustie Young Guvnor Posted January 6, 2020 Share Posted January 6, 2020 8 hours ago, John Lambies Doos said: 9 hours ago, Carnoustie Young Guvnor said: No that's incredibly naive. This is 99.999999999% about Israel. All other considerations pale into insignificance, if you have been following for the last twenty years that would be obvious. No it's not, Israel are a pawn in this. It's about oil Its always partly about oil, but in this case that's a minor consideration. The Hawks in the US have been desperately trying to engineer the attack on Iran they have been agitating for for twenty years. Netanyahu has been lobbying for this for a decade too, longer actually. There's nothing secret about any of this. Its simply because Iran is the number one regional threat to Israel, all the rest have been dealt with. Iran is the biggie, they have had a boner for this for years and years just they never had a president reckless/stupid enough to do it. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SandyCromarty Posted January 7, 2020 Share Posted January 7, 2020 (edited) 10 hours ago, O'Kelly Isley III said: If the Iranians have any nous they will avoid falling into the elephant trap of immediate retaliation. The longer they allow time to elapse, the more this assassination will resemble the illegal act it was. The guy above who dismissed Granny's claim of deflection is being naive in the extreme; Trump is desperate for something, anything, which could rescue his Presidency but if the Iranians hold their fire then they could finally bury it by goading him into some fresh atrocity which majority US and world opinion would condemn. The biggest mystery to me is why the Pentagon is allowing it. Clinton pulled the same stunt amid his Impeachment process by ordering an airstrike on Iraq which resulted in delaying proceedings. Edited January 7, 2020 by SandyCromarty 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coprolite Posted January 7, 2020 Share Posted January 7, 2020 11 hours ago, O'Kelly Isley III said: If the Iranians have any nous they will avoid falling into the elephant trap of immediate retaliation. The longer they allow time to elapse, the more this assassination will resemble the illegal act it was. The guy above who dismissed Granny's claim of deflection is being naive in the extreme; Trump is desperate for something, anything, which could rescue his Presidency but if the Iranians hold their fire then they could finally bury it by goading him into some fresh atrocity which majority US and world opinion would condemn. The biggest mystery to me is why the Pentagon is allowing it. I love the idea that "the Pentagon" could be the voice of reason. Their advice was probably to use a bigger missile. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted January 7, 2020 Share Posted January 7, 2020 It begins... https://edition.cnn.com/2020/01/05/us/walmart-bed-bugs-released-trnd/index.html 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Savage Henry Posted January 7, 2020 Share Posted January 7, 2020 Not in the Middle East it doesn't. It often does things clearly against its own interests because they benefit Israel actually. All states act in their own interest, or at least attempt to. Trump, however, is for sale, and has no policy whatsoever. He’s not remotely interested in US interest. Edit: his apologists call this pacifist pragmatism, bizarrely, and compare him favourably to other presidents. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Savage Henry Posted January 7, 2020 Share Posted January 7, 2020 I love the idea that "the Pentagon" could be the voice of reason. Their advice was probably to use a bigger missile. Indeed. The people who have all the power in the US - the people who should be the voice of reason - are his advisers within his administration. Those are the men who have sold out completely, and should have been able to prevent this past week. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
O'Kelly Isley III Posted January 7, 2020 Share Posted January 7, 2020 4 hours ago, coprolite said: I love the idea that "the Pentagon" could be the voice of reason. Their advice was probably to use a bigger missile. I disagree. Whilst there would no doubt be some who might advocate such action, I think that for the most part US military top brass would be very wary of converting Trump's fiery Twitter rhetoric into reality. They obviously nodded this one thro but I'd be surprised if they are writing any blank cheques. Not on any basis of morality but because they know better than grandstanding politicians just how much of a quagmire the Middle East currently is, and how badly any further incursions would play with a domestic audience averse to body bags. You might recall in this country how the public displays of grief in (Royal) Wootton Bassett very soon gave way to out-of-sight arrival of coffins at military airfields in the wee small hours when too many of 'our boys' were returning dead. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coprolite Posted January 7, 2020 Share Posted January 7, 2020 27 minutes ago, O'Kelly Isley III said: I disagree. Whilst there would no doubt be some who might advocate such action, I think that for the most part US military top brass would be very wary of converting Trump's fiery Twitter rhetoric into reality. They obviously nodded this one thro but I'd be surprised if they are writing any blank cheques. Not on any basis of morality but because they know better than grandstanding politicians just how much of a quagmire the Middle East currently is, and how badly any further incursions would play with a domestic audience averse to body bags. You might recall in this country how the public displays of grief in (Royal) Wootton Bassett very soon gave way to out-of-sight arrival of coffins at military airfields in the wee small hours when too many of 'our boys' were returning dead. I don't know any US military top brass but the ones I have seen on telly all give the impression that they'd much rather blow people up than not blow people up. Worrying about people dying is for commie fags. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carnoustie Young Guvnor Posted January 7, 2020 Share Posted January 7, 2020 1 hour ago, Savage Henry said: All states act in their own interest, or at least attempt to. Trump, however, is for sale, and has no policy whatsoever. He’s not remotely interested in US interest. Edit: his apologists call this pacifist pragmatism, bizarrely, and compare him favourably to other presidents. In most cases yes, in this case no. The USA acts 100% in Israel's interests in the ME, even when that is contrary to their own interests. Their policy in the region is decided and dictated by Israel and implemented as soon as a US administration believes it can be sold to the American public. Read The Israel Lobby and American Foreign Policy by Mearsheimer and Walt 2006 or watch this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rzXS3tmZrcU 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ralstonite Posted January 7, 2020 Author Share Posted January 7, 2020 1 hour ago, coprolite said: I don't know any US military top brass but the ones I have seen on telly all give the impression that they'd much rather blow people up than not blow people up. Worrying about people dying is for commie fags. Commie fags like Stalin, Pol Pot, Mao, Ceausescu, Castro, Kim Jong-il...because those guys have never killed anyone. -2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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