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[D.A.F.C]

Just now, dirty dingus said:

Don't think it's truthfullness is the problem. I' doubt the right wing nutjobs will sit and analyse it and go, goddam they may have a point. CHIYY- NAH  VYRUS

Millions and millions of dead, it’s all true.

[WhiteRoseKillie]

In what way was Corbyn “extreme”?  Maybe [mention=26435]Bob Mahelp[/mention] can give you a hand here.

The question I would ask is, "in what way are the current Tory party not extreme?"

[Wee Willie]

2 hours ago, Perkin Flump said:

Winning hearts and minds during the crisis before unleashing both barrels around their failures afterwards. People have ripped into me on here before for admitting which way I have voted, but give me a centre left leaning Labour Party with no extremists at the forefront & I will vote for them. Fingers crossed that Kier Starmer might just deliver that.

I copied this post from FaceBook.

How would you answer this?

Just (God knows why) got a post pop up in my Facebook from a certain Mr Keir Starmer: "Tell keir what matters to you" - The following comment was my response: It matters to me that my country (Scotland) should have total control of our own affairs. This is completely natural and normal for other small nations all over the world.

It matters to me that when my country has complete control of it's own affairs we will undoubtedly elect progressive left of centre politicians to represent us (as our political preferences have continually shown to likely be the case)

It matters to me that remaining in the allegedly voluntary Union of the United Kingdom means that time and again we have the exact opposite political ethos forced upon us against our will, regardless of who or what we vote for

It matters to me that given the chance to support and encourage the emergence of a new free Independent small socialist European nation, your party chose instead to stand shoulder to shoulder against that aspiration, with the most Toxic and extreme right wing regime in the history of these islands

These things matter to me

These things matter to a growing majority of my country's citizens

These things go some way to explaining why we are Scotland, and Labour are dead to us.

[Moomintroll]

8 minutes ago, Wee Willie said:

I copied this post from FaceBook.

How would you answer this?

Just (God knows why) got a post pop up in my Facebook from a certain Mr Keir Starmer: "Tell keir what matters to you" - The following comment was my response: It matters to me that my country (Scotland) should have total control of our own affairs. This is completely natural and normal for other small nations all over the world.

 

It matters to me that when my country has complete control of it's own affairs we will undoubtedly elect progressive left of centre politicians to represent us (as our political preferences have continually shown to likely be the case)

 

It matters to me that remaining in the allegedly voluntary Union of the United Kingdom means that time and again we have the exact opposite political ethos forced upon us against our will, regardless of who or what we vote for

 

It matters to me that given the chance to support and encourage the emergence of a new free Independent small socialist European nation, your party chose instead to stand shoulder to shoulder against that aspiration, with the most Toxic and extreme right wing regime in the history of these islands

 

These things matter to me

 

These things matter to a growing majority of my country's citizens

 

These things go some way to explaining why we are Scotland, and Labour are dead to us.

 

I understand all that, I have today, probably belatedly given what happened previously said what I actually think politically even though it is not a subject I really devote much time & effort to. I live in England & probably will do until I cark it so the Scottish aspect doesn't apply to me, when I lived back home I voted Labour in Council & Scottish Elections but SNP in General Elections, take from that what you will. Johnson & his merry band of vague incompetents are nowhere near extreme right wing thankfully, they're just not very good at their jobs.

[Detournement]

2 hours ago, Bob Mahelp said:

This isn't the thread to discuss this topic, but the perception of 'extreme' is obviously in the eye of the beholder.

You may not think of Corbyn as an 'extreme' politician, but many millions of UK voters did. And that's why he was so comprehensively rejected.

The irony being that those who think Corbyn is extreme are usually extremely racist people.

Being a warmonger = moderate. Anti racist = extreme. 

[effeffsee_the2nd]

Part of the government's reasoning for not locking down early was that if we did it with very low numbers of cases people would get bored of it quickly and simply give up following the rules before the lockdown could be effecttive.
Even with ~30,000 dead and counting, there are already elements of the right-wing media clamouring to end the lock-down and everyday the roads my area get busier and busier. My school is on a high street and leaving work yesterday the number of people out and about was similar to what you'd see on a normal day, and there were several groups of people sitting on benches drinking together. When I first went into work 3 weeks ago, the whole place was completely deserted.
I'm starting to wonder whether the government might have been right to assume that as a nation we're simply too selfish and too stupid to have locked down much earlier.

I’m gony say yes to all of those points and actually go a bit further to say I don’t think they ( gov)had any appetite for a ragid spannish style one. The list of reasonable excuses and police numbers in the uk mean that they have little way of enforcing conplience unless you’re A blatantly taking the piss with large gatherings or B doing so in the middle of a large city. There have been some stories of them acting all gestapo but not round my way anyway, barely even seen them let alone been stopped.
Also anecdotaly i can say most people in falkirk don’t appear to be taking it seriously at all

[Savage Henry]

Probably posted about eight pages ago, but these people are fucking idiots. The whole conspiracy theory bullshit ought to be taken off all social media. These imbeciles watch a video by a discredited doctor “to get both sides of the debate”, and this is the result.

 

 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/world-52512663?ns_mchannel=social&ns_source=twitter&ns_campaign=bbc_live&ns_linkname=5ead7c3e5c8cf7066bdf99ad%26Small%20%27group%20hug%27%20protest%20in%20London%262020-05-02T14%3A43%3A33.386Z&ns_fee=0&pinned_post_locator=urn:asset:bb08eeb3-65cf-490b-b1eb-a9c94238dcf0&pinned_post_asset_id=5ead7c3e5c8cf7066bdf99ad&pinned_post_type=share

 

 

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/uk/london-protest-coronavirus-lockdown-scotland-yard-a4430186.html

[Guest Bob Mahelp]

25 minutes ago, Detournement said:

The irony being that those who think Corbyn is extreme are usually extremely racist people.

Being a warmonger = moderate. Anti racist = extreme. 

For me, I see some of his socialist views as too extreme for my liking. I also didn't trust the Momentum nutters that were in the background pulling his strings. That's my personal opinion, and apparently it was shared by a vast number of voters. 

That, and the fact that he's a scarecrow-like mumbleclown with the personality of a dead sheep. I fucking hate Labour, but I given that somebody has to be in power in Westminster I'd rather it was them than the Tories....but honestly there was a snowball's chance of hell of that ever happening under Corbyn. 

It's rather sad that some people on here find that hard to accept, and keep on looking for reasons to blame for Labour's failure...other than the one single, obvious fact that Labour under Corbyn was an unelectable shambles.

And I'm not a racist, last time I looked. I have friends who have spoken to black people. 

 

 

[HeartsOfficialMoaner]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-52504183

Here the boss at Heathrow is saying it's impossible to social distance at airports.

They remained opened through all this, they should have been closed but that never happened. The governments will make their excuses...

but what next, will holidays all be cancelled indefinitely,  is it all over for the tourist industry?

It'll be interesting to see how people decide to spend their money if they can't spend it on holiday's abroad.

Where would your money go? Highlands and Islands? Morecambe or Yarmouth?

[Savage Henry]

I’m assuming there is some medical evidence that suggests it wouldn’t make any difference. It seems counterintuitive, but there must be a reason why almost no airports are closed.

[Granny Danger]

9 minutes ago, Bob Mahelp said:

For me, I see some of his socialist views as too extreme for my liking. I also didn't trust the Momentum nutters that were in the background pulling his strings. That's my personal opinion, and apparently it was shared by a vast number of voters. 

That, and the fact that he's a scarecrow-like mumbleclown with the personality of a dead sheep. I fucking hate Labour, but I given that somebody has to be in power in Westminster I'd rather it was them than the Tories....but honestly there was a snowball's chance of hell of that ever happening under Corbyn. 

It's rather sad that some people on here find that hard to accept, and keep on looking for reasons to blame for Labour's failure...other than the one single, obvious fact that Labour under Corbyn was an unelectable shambles.

And I'm not a racist, last time I looked. I have friends who have spoken to black people. 

 

 

What policies did Labour under Corbyn  propose that YOU disagreed with?

As an aside, during my time in the Labour Party, many years ago, I was continually told that ‘the electorate’ would not support an anti-nuclear position as it was “extreme”.

Yet the SNP, whose support has continually outstripped every other party in Scotland, is anti-nuclear.  Go figure.

 

Edited May 2, 2020 by Granny Danger

[HeartsOfficialMoaner]

 

2 minutes ago, Savage Henry said:

I’m assuming there is some medical evidence that suggests it wouldn’t make any difference. It seems counterintuitive, but there must be a reason why almost no airports are closed.

I thought there was some financial evidence that closing airports would not good for the economy. That being more important.

[Savage Henry]

 

I thought there was some financial evidence that closing airports would not good for the economy. That being more important.

 

It’s not just here, though. The majority of countries kept their airports open, albeit with testing in some cases. That raises another question, of course.

[Wee Willie]

46 minutes ago, Perkin Flump said:

I understand all that, I have today, probably belatedly given what happened previously said what I actually think politically even though it is not a subject I really devote much time & effort to. I live in England & probably will do until I cark it so the Scottish aspect doesn't apply to me, when I lived back home I voted Labour in Council & Scottish Elections but SNP in General Elections, take from that what you will. Johnson & his merry band of vague incompetents are nowhere near extreme right wing thankfully, they're just not very good at their jobs.

My apologies. I didnae ken ye bided in England so your post makes a wee bit sense.

[Granny Danger]

2 minutes ago, Savage Henry said:

 

It’s not just here, though. The majority of countries kept their airports open, albeit with testing in some cases. That raises another question, of course.

This comes down to the balance again between protecting the economy and good, safe, social distancing practices.

It seems bizarre to be insisting that people practice social distancing whilst effectively ignoring it at airports.

 

[Savage Henry]

This comes down to the balance again between protecting the economy and good, safe, social distancing practices.
It seems bizarre to be insisting that people practice social distancing whilst effectively ignoring it at airports.
 

It does. Absolutely it does. Don’t get me wrong. But they aren’t just going to do it for the sake of doing it - they could have kept pubs open if it was pure economic profiteering. There must be some medical evidence to suggest this was a manageable outcome.

[Wee Willie]

6 minutes ago, Granny Danger said:

What policies did Labour under Corbyn  propose that YOU disagreed with?

As an aside, during my time in the Labour Party, many years ago, I was continually told that ‘the electorate’ would not support an anti-nuclear position as it was “extreme”.

Yet the SNP, whose support has continually outstripped every other party in Scotland, is anti-nuclear.  Go figure.

 

But that is in Scotland and no in the UK.

And obvious with Trident being in Scotland then we have a vested interest (sic)  in the bloody thing.

Course if Trident was situated down in Plymouth or Portsmouth I would enthusiastically approve.

In fact I would clap!

[Granny Danger]

2 minutes ago, MixuFixit said:

https://www.ft.com/content/1a9a0e61-511f-43ff-8a81-987ee223c4a9

lol

I am glad we don’t have gun laws like the USA.  If we did then no doubt we would see hoards of Wetherspoons employees storming government offices demanding the right to return to their minimum wage employment.

 

[Bairnardo]

Plenty of ways but you are not asking this in good faith so it's pointless attempting to answer you.

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[welshbairn]

24 minutes ago, Savage Henry said:

I’m assuming there is some medical evidence that suggests it wouldn’t make any difference. It seems counterintuitive, but there must be a reason why almost no airports are closed.

It would probably be safer for the citizens of Inverness to have a planeload of Germans arriving than a train load of Cockneys or Weegies. Don't see why planes should be treated any different from other public transport when you have a global pandemic and the UK being in a worse state than most countries people would be flying from, and they'd be going straight into lockdown like the rest of us anyway. 

Edited May 2, 2020 by welshbairn