Coronavirus (COVID-19)

[madwullie]

Just now, Thereisalight.. said:

There must have been a baby boom and influx of immigrants into Scotland before lockdown began, if the population is now “tens of millions”

Humperdink's mass death cult plan was global. That's how herd immunity worked in the past

[coprolite]

1 minute ago, Sergeant Wilson said:

Why is the latest graph block twice the height of the others despite  actual sales only being slightly higher?

Deception becomes a habit

[madwullie]

Just now, engelbert_humperdink said:

Exaggerate much wullie

How many people died of polio Engelbert. Plague? How quickly was herd immunity reached for these diseases? That's your game plan mate, own the casualties. 

[D.A.F.C]

Why is the latest graph block twice the height of the others despite  actual sales only being slightly higher?

Rangers fans cant read.

[engelbert_humperdink]

1 minute ago, Sergeant Wilson said:

Why is the latest graph block twice the height of the others despite  actual sales only being slightly higher?

Because they assume most fans are innumerate and will be in awe of the size 

[The Moonster]

3 minutes ago, engelbert_humperdink said:

You know I can't. 

If you haven't a clue how successful herd immunity is or what it takes to achieve it, what are your reasons for suggesting it?

It just sounds like you've heard someone say herd immunity on the TV and you've decided you support it because it means the least restrictive measures but you have absolutely no idea how many deaths that would cause or the number of people that would need to be infected and survive. 

Healthy people can die of this virus too btw. I don't know why you think fit people are immune.

[ayrmad]

11 minutes ago, engelbert_humperdink said:

Herd immunity has been successful throughout history, no doubt safer than taking a vaccine in 18 months time. The deaths have been tragic but we can't wrap healthy people up in cotton wool. Not to sound horrid bust the vast majority of deaths were people with underlying health issues that another possible infection could lead to death. The numbers are inflated because the government purposely sent bed blocking elderly patients back into care homes with no testing and little to no PPE for staff, basically the modern day equivalent of Stalin's work camps. Younger care workers dying would probably be accounted to the Virus load. There was no need imo for these levels of hysteria.  

The government knew fine well before the virus arrived here the vulnerable groups but instead of protecting them, they were thrown to the lions resulting in needless deaths. Because of this for the last 8 weeks the freedoms and the security of healthy people has been taken away from them. Vulnerable people should have been isolated and the rest allowed to go on as normal to build herd immunity.

We were not set up for herd immunity, this whole episode has just highlighted the ineptitude of those at the top of the tree in UK. 

 

[dirty dingus]

Is immunity actually been declared a thing yet? No point going for herd immunity if it only lasts a short time. The best thing is to do what SE Asia is doing which is track and trace the f**k out of it and if any hotspots control it at source not nationwide, the problem is our governments have been sleeping on the job and it might be to late to get on top of it.  https://www.politico.com/news/2020/05/16/uss-theodore-roosevelt-sailors-test-positive-coronavirus-261873

[Thereisalight..]

Two women with stage 4 breast cancer on the STV news right now. These poor women aren’t able to get treatment or take part in trials. It’s  terrible that cancer patients are being sacrificed. As one of the women said, covid is taking precedent over every other disease. 

[welshbairn]

Hopefully the next pandemic will target millennials and the neighbourhood grannies will have to chap on their doors to see if they need anything before going down the Bingo. 

[engelbert_humperdink]

2 minutes ago, madwullie said:

How many people died of polio Engelbert. Plague? How quickly was herd immunity reached for these diseases? That's your game plan mate, own the casualties. 

How far ahead are we medically now, how much more informative are we in nutrition now. You can't compare diseases of yesteryear to now. Antibody testing is needed because we may never find a safe proof vaccine and if this virus isn't going away, what else is there but her immunity. 

[Thereisalight..]

I was out earlier today to the local shop. I was shocked to see a neighbour there. This woman is 85 if she’s a day and with health problems. If someone like that is flouting the rules then sin it any wonder the younger generation are? The oldies seem to be sticking to lockdown less than my generation 

[renton]

4 minutes ago, dirty dingus said:

Is immunity actually been declared a thing yet? No point going for herd immunity if it only lasts a short time. The best thing is to do what SE Asia is doing which is track and trace the f**k out of it and if any hotspots control it at source not nationwide, the problem is our governments have been sleeping on the job and it might be to late to get on top of it.  https://www.politico.com/news/2020/05/16/uss-theodore-roosevelt-sailors-test-positive-coronavirus-261873

To be fair, that could just be that their initial shitty test was wrong about the negative result.

[welshbairn]

1 minute ago, Thereisalight.. said:

I was out earlier today to the local shop. I was shocked to see a neighbour there. This woman is 85 if she’s a day and with health problems. If someone like that is flouting the rules then sin it any wonder the younger generation are? The oldies seem to be sticking to lockdown less than my generation 

Did you offer to do her shopping for her?

[engelbert_humperdink]

4 minutes ago, The Moonster said:

If you haven't a clue how successful herd immunity is or what it takes to achieve it, what are your reasons for suggesting it?

It just sounds like you've heard someone say herd immunity on the TV and you've decided you support it because it means the least restrictive measures but you have absolutely no idea how many deaths that would cause or the number of people that would need to be infected and survive. 

Healthy people can die of this virus too btw. I don't know why you think fit people are immune.

I'm suggesting it because it seems the only solution unless you want to be social distancing for the next decade. Healthy people die every day, for whatever reason. And what is the chance of a healthy person catching and dying of the virus? I'd assume it was that small that any sane healthy person would take there chances as they are probably more likely to die of some other cause

[dirty dingus]

1 minute ago, renton said:

To be fair, that could just be that their initial shitty test was wrong about the negative result.

Yes that's why I'm questioning it, I should have said as the original re infection stories from japan and china were believed to be false positives in original tests. Also they still don't know if there is different levels of antibodies built up.

[welshbairn]

5 minutes ago, Thereisalight.. said:

Two women with stage 4 breast cancer on the STV news right now. These poor women aren’t able to get treatment or take part in trials. It’s  terrible that cancer patients are being sacrificed. As one of the women said, covid is taking precedent over every other disease. 

They've got stage 4 cancer and being refused treatment? Unbelievable. I mean that.

[The Moonster]

Just now, engelbert_humperdink said:

I'm suggesting it because it seems the only solution unless you want to be social distancing for the next decade. Healthy people die every day, for whatever reason. And what is the chance of a healthy person catching and dying of the virus? I'd assume it was that small that any sane healthy person would take there chances as they are probably more likely to die of some other cause

You're suggesting it because it lets you get back on with your life. It's selfish and the fact you don't seem to care that herd immunity would require hundreds of thousands of deaths only confirms that. "Healthy people die every day" yeah so lets pile even more deaths on top of that even though we could avoid them.

I'll take social distancing for as long as it's required, thanks.

[renton]

2 minutes ago, engelbert_humperdink said:

I'm suggesting it because it seems the only solution unless you want to be social distancing for the next decade. Healthy people die every day, for whatever reason. And what is the chance of a healthy person catching and dying of the virus? I'd assume it was that small that any sane healthy person would take there chances as they are probably more likely to die of some other cause

Short of a vaccine the probable best solution is suppression, not herd immunity. If only because we have little data on acquired immunity or even how long that immunity lasts.

Suppression would allow for us to go back to normal with no social distancing and was the means by which SARS was put to bed. 

There also needs to be a clear set of public policies for the next time this happens, and that has to be a general, global set of policies not tied to the particulars of the disease. Thd next one, might not necessarily be as low a fatality rate...

[engelbert_humperdink]

3 minutes ago, Thereisalight.. said:

I was out earlier today to the local shop. I was shocked to see a neighbour there. This woman is 85 if she’s a day and with health problems. If someone like that is flouting the rules then sin it any wonder the younger generation are? The oldies seem to be sticking to lockdown less than my generation 

A pensioner got on the bus yesterday, had a go at the driver for how long he was waiting at the bus stop, then went and sat right behind some woman. I can't blame a lot of them because at that age time really is precious. They may just have the f**k it they could drop dead next month, not going to sit on my arse for my last days, and I cannot sit here and say that I wouldnt probably do the same