Coronavirus (COVID-19)

[peasy23]

2 hours ago, welshbairn said:

Children of key workers were supposed to have had continual education I thought?

Schools were (and are) open for children of key workers, but the actual uptake of key workers sending their kids into school has been very low. Most areas have local hubs with both primary and secondary children in them, and a mixture of teachers. From what I have heard from a few folk who have had to send their kids in, it has been little more than a child minding service in some places.

[Scosha]

Does phase 1 begin on Thursday or Friday this week? Seen some reports that it’s Thursday but then also that Nicola will confirm on Thursday when phase 1 officially begins? 

[Fratelli]

Can't help but feel It's all went too partisan for this to make a big enough difference to voting. Folk who vote for him aren't arsed about Johnson being a w****r - everyone knew that years ago. It's more a case of voting against stuff rather than voting for anything. Johnson/the Tories are positioned as being against the soft 'lefty PC brigade', as well as being against the forins and being passionately British. It's why there are still thousands of Union Jack emoji types defending them on social media, they could do literally anything at this point and still retain their core supporters. The only hope is that things like this will maybe change undecided voters, but i'm still not sure if that's enough to make a difference. 

Edited May 24, 2020 by Fratelli

[GiGi]

Just patiently waiting for the BBC HYS comments to be opened up on that car crash press briefing. Any time now surely.

[WhiteRoseKillie]

He illegally shut down Parliament and still won a huge majority 6 weeks later.

None of this matters in the grand scheme of things.

The GBP don't understand politics, or what goes on in the corridors of power. They do understand the pain of obeying rules which mean they've not been allowed to say goodbye to their loved ones. They are getting rightly and simply angry because the cúnt who made those rules has blatantly ignored them and, when caught doing so said "what are you lot going to do about it?"

Joe and Mrs Average may not know much about economics, but they know a cúnt when they see one.

 

[doulikefish]

Cummings has been reported to the Durham police....this aint over

[NotThePars]

21 minutes ago, O'Kelly Isley III said:

46 minutes ago, Detournement said:

It's definitely not. 
 

Well I think it is.

You might be right but people were saying similar when Jo Cox was shot dead, parliament was prorogued, loads of Tories were unceremoniously sacked by Cummings, and Johnson just lied and hid his way through an election campaign. This is the problem with running a political system on norms and traditions when someone decides that actually no you can actually do what you want then it's difficult to punish them for it.

 

12 minutes ago, MixuFixit said:

This is probably the nub of it. He's the guy that's going to get rid of black people after brexit for them so he could have taken a shit in the street in front of all those photographers outside his house and they'll still vote for him. 

Worth bearing in mind that loads of people, myself included, think it's funny to treat journalists the way Cummings did yesterday. Not saying it's right, it's just funny and it's hardly like the journo class have did much to endear themselves to the public in recent memory.

[welshbairn]

10 minutes ago, IrishBhoy said:

Getting frustrated at the journalists inability to nail the question, and then not follow up complete non-answers by just calling them out on it, force them to answer the question rather than let them repeat the Tory buzzwords ‘legal and responsible’ and brush every question off with the same line. 

Shapps’ two interviews this morning were carbon copies. Sophy Ridge done a slightly better job of making him look like the fool he is, but he managed to bluff his way through most of it with his pre-prepared lines. Johnson just done his usual evasion tactics, something he is very good at. Cutting off journalists half way through a question wasn’t the best look though. 

I thought the journalists ripped him apart, despite having their follow on questions blocked and supposed "technical difficulties.". Not sure what you expected, "Yes, ok, Dom is a c**t, I'll sack him and then resign."? He just dug a bigger hole for himself, as Tory MP's will be seeing in their inboxes.

[Todd_is_God]

7 minutes ago, Scosha said:

Does phase 1 begin on Thursday or Friday this week? Seen some reports that it’s Thursday but then also that Nicola will confirm on Thursday when phase 1 officially begins? 

I understood it to be reviewed whether or not we could move to phase 1 on Thursday and, if so, we'd get a date then.

[IrishBhoy]

5 minutes ago, Fratelli said:

Folk who vote for him aren't arsed about Johnson being a w****r - everyone knew that years ago. 

I know it’s only Twitter, but I’ve been surprised by the number of people, in some cases quite high profile, coming out against Johnson in the last few hours. Suspect there will be a few more backbench Tories coming out against him soon also. Gives a modicum of hope. 

[swiftyswifty swifty]

[welshbairn]

There are shitloads of Tory voting curtain twitchers having embolisms tonight. Nap.

[peasy23]

This is the crux of Johnson's problem. Huge numbers of grandparent's will be core Tory voters, and would have loved to have helped out if needed by their families. The guidelines specifically told them not to though, and they haven't seen their kids and grandkids for months because of the rules drawn up with a guy who didn't follow them himself.

[RiG]

24 minutes ago, IrishBhoy said:

I am sure there was a lot of fuss made around the beginning of the lockdown explaining to people, mainly rich Londoners, that under no circumstances were they to travel to a second home to isolate, due to the pressures this would put on the Health services in these places. It’s also made clear in the legislation that travelling to a second home to isolate was forbidden. It’s a point that I haven’t seen put to either Johnson or Shapps. 

Nice little summary I found on Twitter if reading through legislation is too dry  

https://insights.doughtystreet.co.uk/post/102g80l/did-dominic-cummings-act-responsibly-and-legally

[IrishBhoy]

10 minutes ago, welshbairn said:

I thought the journalists ripped him apart, despite having their follow on questions blocked and supposed "technical difficulties.". Not sure what you expected, "Yes, ok, Dom is a c**t, I'll sack him and then resign."? He just dug a bigger hole for himself, as Tory MP's will be seeing in their inboxes.

They continually allowed Johnson, and more so Shapps earlier on, to be able to stick to a set of prepared lines that didn’t answer the questions they were being asked. ‘Acted legally and responsibly’, ‘isolated for the required 14 days’ etc. The Govt. have made such a mess of this incident that it should be absolute shooty in for the journalists. 

[trainspotter]

25 minutes ago, IrishBhoy said:

Shapps’ two interviews this morning were carbon copies. Sophy Ridge done a slightly better job of making him look like the fool he is, but he managed to bluff his way through most of it with his pre-prepared lines. 

Ridge tweeted the questions in advance of the interview. It’s like scraping an exam pass when you have the answers written down in front of you.

[Carl Cort's Hamstring]

I do think people are underestimating how much people across the board will be angry about this. Yeah there are vocal morons defending Johnson and Cummings on Twitter, but I'd bet any money that they're people who have broken the rules themselves and therefore don't see the big deal.

This isn't like prorouging Parliament, which was a technical thing no-one understood

It's not like Grenfell, which was about poor people

It's not like Windrush, which was about black people

All of those things could be filed away as irrelevant because they're not issues that touch the Tory base. The entire country has experienced the lockdown and the vast majority of us have stuck to the rules. The Prime Minister has just gone on live TV and called us all mugs.

[itzdrk]

Is that weirdo that lived in a bunker for two years  still no gone. 

[Cosmic Joe]

At some point the heat will be on Johnson more than the individual he is attempting to defend. This is when the Golden Tory rule will kick in.

[Carl Cort's Hamstring]

1 minute ago, IrishBhoy said:

They continually allowed Johnson, and more so Shapps earlier on, to be able to stick to a set of prepared lines that didn’t answer the questions they were being asked. ‘Acted legally and responsibly’, ‘isolated for the required 14 days’ etc. The Govt. have made such a mess of this incident that it should be absolute shooty in for the journalists. 

Shapps dealt with it far far better than Johnson. Johnson was visibly raging that poeple had the temerity to question him about this - if he was in a  sit-down interview where he couldn't just cut people off he'd have been obliterated.