Coronavirus (COVID-19)

[Carnoustie Young Guvnor]

3 minutes ago, virginton said:

 

A 'leave it to the employer to work it out' strategy that helps explain why we are where we are now.

The claim that the onus should be on the employee to contact union officials/philpy them to HSE is utterly ridiculous. This is a pandemic impacting every part of life, it is not a top shelf stacked too heavily. Unions have insufficient power to make changes (even the teachers failed to secure a credible working environment) and the HSE is not equipped to swoop on every workplace in the middle of a pandemic.

The SG should absolutely be prescriptive about what is required in an indoor (and outdoor) workspace respectively. They have been prescriptive about how many people you can mix with from another household for months so what makes the far more risky workplace environment magically exempt?

Brilliant post.

[Gordon EF]

14 minutes ago, Thereisalight.. said:

I don’t think you can say “excess deaths in the last year”. Feb my Dad passed away due to pneumonia. Saying excess deaths since mid to late March would be more accurate 

Really sorry to hear that. Unless there was an unusually high rate of pneumonia deaths in early 2020, his probably wouldn't count as excess though. The figures will account for a certain number of people dying during different months of the year.

[Carnoustie Young Guvnor]

4 minutes ago, coprolite said:

If your Dad feels unsafe then he shouldn't go in. It's a nonsense to suggest that none of his colleagues should earn a wage because one guy smoked since he was 14.

Again that's juvenile shite that only a fanny would come out with.  All him and me want is a basic level of protection that is offered to all in society.  So your workplace isn't safe for you just now, so you're off, why isn't he?  His workplace was deemed not safe in March because of the amount of infections, now with infections higher apparently its safe?

And its too much to ask our government at least mandates people have to treat his workplace like a fucking supermarket and wear a mask?  You're an arsepiece mate.

[Thereisalight..]

19 minutes ago, effeffsee_the2nd said:

Also Christmas shopping = ok, schools when cases were shooting up = ok, Christmass dinner = ok

Going for a walk by yourself without a mask = woah youv got blood on your hands

I do a lot of local hillwalking. 99% of the time I never see another person. Fck wearing a mask to do that as I already struggle to breath going up hills as it (unfit bassa)

[Thereisalight..]

5 minutes ago, Gordon EF said:

Really sorry to hear that. Unless there was an unusually high rate of pneumonia deaths in early 2020, his probably wouldn't count as excess though. The figures will account for a certain number of people dying during different months of the year.

I can’t speak for the rest of Scotland/UK but I do know locally “pneumonia” deaths in Jan/Feb/March were unusually high 

[Dons_1988]

6 minutes ago, Carnoustie Young Guvnor said:

Absolutely, people are calling this a lockdown when its nothing of the sort. Hundreds of thousands of people are going to work all over Scotland, that's not a lockdown.

You can find levels of risk in everything, and we are in a pandemic, so as far as possible our government should be trying to protect us from this. In Spain, since March, as soon as you walk out your front door you have to wear a mask, everywhere, all the time, no matter what. The police will arrest you if you don't. There's no reason we couldn't do the same.

Well clearly you could shut absolutely everything, couldn't you?

Only leave the house for medical appointments or absolutely essential work, supermarkets do delivery only etc etc. And who knows, maybe that's the right answer in the current circumstances. But there broadly seems to be agreement across society that we don't need to be as draconian as that, and a balance needs to be struck. Finding that balance is difficult.

 

[peasy23]

That's the school bus just pulled up here for the kids that go to Ayr for RC schooling, at least half full !!!

I don't know what the criteria are or how strictly they are applying it down there, but there are only 10 pupils out of close to 800 at my daughter's school who have been given permission to attend as children of key workers or have been classed as at increased risk if they stay at home.

As a result the roads were dead around our way this morning as all the normal school traffic is off the road.

[Inanimate Carbon Rod]

5 minutes ago, Carnoustie Young Guvnor said:

They could also mandate masks like other countries have done, but they refuse to do so.

They do, the employer isn't a fucking hospital, its not their area of expertise to decipher who is Covid positive and who isn't. 

The union can't do anything about it if its not in breach of legislation. They are obviously unsafe, its not about ;feels; its a black and white situation, they are clearly at risk every time they go to work.

Im absolutely aghast that a poster who despite being presented with clear evidence that the Scottish government agencies WERE responsible for pandemic planning in terms of devolved matters now thinks the buck does stop with the Scottish Government in terms of the health response to a pandemic. 

[vikingTON]

6 minutes ago, Thereisalight.. said:

I do a lot of local hillwalking. 99% of the time I never see another person. Fck wearing a mask to do that as I already struggle to breath going up hills as it (unfit bassa)

A mask does not make it more difficult to breathe.

I'd be against obliging people to wear a mask outdoors as a blanket measure but the behaviour really should be encouraged for busy outdoor spaces at the moment (such as the exit of a supermarket, which every single time is blocked by about five wifeys putting their purse inside their bag and inside their other bag, talking to Senga about the weather and wondering if it would be better to get a taxi up the road, with their trolley parked diagonally away from them - a truncheon to the face would also be acceptable policy for this).

Edited January 11, 2021 by vikingTON

[s_dog]

2 hours ago, 101 said:

1100 sites now in Scotland to get the vaccine 750 are GP practices but good to see a fair chunk of non medical facilities being used. Only just over 3000 staff doing them so hopefully as the number of sites grow staffing them will rise with that.

I think have so many locations is far better than England having something like 6 meaning folk have to travel.

I hope we don't have any of the same carry-on with queues of over-80's waiting outside GP's, or them being sent letters to attend vaccination centres miles away (& in some cases, when they've already had their jag at their GP surgery). Was it just in Scotland they talked about the elderly getting it done at GP's so they didn't have increased risk of attending somewhere where there are lots of other people?

[coprolite]

16 minutes ago, Carnoustie Young Guvnor said:

Again that's juvenile shite that only a fanny would come out with.  All him and me want is a basic level of protection that is offered to all in society.  So your workplace isn't safe for you just now, so you're off, why isn't he?  His workplace was deemed not safe in March because of the amount of infections, now with infections higher apparently its safe?

And its too much to ask our government at least mandates people have to treat his workplace like a fucking supermarket and wear a mask?  You're an arsepiece mate.

This is highly disingenuous. 

Your original post was also bemoaning factories being open. It was obvious from the context and my post that i was taking exception to that complaint, not the subsequent 3 pages of you shifting the goalposts to mask wearing, which is a far more reasonable complaint. 

34 minutes ago, Carnoustie Young Guvnor said:

 

The union can't do anything about it if its not in breach of legislation. They are obviously unsafe, its not about ;feels; its a black and white situation, they are clearly at risk every time they go to work.

If they are obviously unsafe then there's a breach of legislation. 

[101]

16 minutes ago, Gordon EF said:

They'll surely split each others vote. Could be a disaster, with both parties only getting 500 odd votes each instead of 1000.

Fingers crossed

14 minutes ago, Carnoustie Young Guvnor said:

No they don't, how hard would it be to say masks are mandatory inside all public buildings all the time? That's what other countries have done. What is 'proportional' when you're talking about giving people  a basic level of protection at their workplace?  Its not a draconian measure to say wear a mask.

Again, who cares what you think would be odd, human beings are odd and there's hundreds of them in there. Masks are not mandatory so they take them off any opportunity they get. If they were mandatory they wouldn't do that.  NS can make it so, but has not.

A factory or similar is not a public building. If you were the only person in 30m2 I don't think it would be proportional to demand they wear a mask.

The employer clearly feels there is no risk to staff as I said before they must have every measure other than face coverings in place on the factory floor and masks will be worn in communal areas which is law so clearly there is basic level of protection.

14 minutes ago, virginton said:

 

A 'leave it to the employer to work it out' strategy that helps explain why we are where we are now.

The claim that the onus should be on the employee to contact union officials/philpy them to HSE is utterly ridiculous. This is a pandemic impacting every part of life, it is not a top shelf stacked too heavily. Unions have insufficient power to make changes (even the teachers failed to secure a credible working environment) and the HSE is not equipped to swoop on every workplace in the middle of a pandemic.

The SG should absolutely be prescriptive about what is required in an indoor (and outdoor) workspace respectively. They have been prescriptive about how many people you can mix with from another household for months so what makes the far more risky workplace environment magically exempt?

We currently exist in a structure that employers look at the legislation and decide the appropriate level or response I don't see once the structure has been updated why we revert to spoon feed business. The public aren't used to this level of restriction therefore prescriptive measures are better for them

Business know their setting better than anyone else and at the end of the day they will carry the can for out breaks in their work place. The public of course will be expected to push the boundaries to the limit but for a business to do the same and risk closure seems reckless in the extreme.

[101]

6 minutes ago, s_dog said:

I hope we don't have any of the same carry-on with queues of over-80's waiting outside GP's, or them being sent letters to attend vaccination centres miles away (& in some cases, when they've already had their jag at their GP surgery). Was it just in Scotland they talked about the elderly getting it done at GP's so they didn't have increased risk of attending somewhere where there are lots of other people?

I think that was the case and it 100% makes sense getting elderly people to attend a familiar place to get vaccinated.

[Sergeant Wilson]

3 hours ago, Billy Jean King said:

That's the school bus just pulled up here for the kids that go to Ayr for RC schooling, at least half full !!!

I fucking knew it would be them!

Welcome to the party Pep. Anyone not familiar with @Carnoustie Young Guvnor who thought the thread was mental before has seen nothing yet. The Goverment will need to issue eye drops.

[Carnoustie Young Guvnor]

19 minutes ago, Dons_1988 said:

Well clearly you could shut absolutely everything, couldn't you?

Only leave the house for medical appointments or absolutely essential work, supermarkets do delivery only etc etc. And who knows, maybe that's the right answer in the current circumstances. But there broadly seems to be agreement across society that we don't need to be as draconian as that, and a balance needs to be struck. Finding that balance is difficult.

 

Yeah, that's what countries who got on top of it did, also completely shut your borders.  It would be much better than this dragging on and on and on and on and over 100k dying. But our government chose a different path.

[MP_MFC]

Football below the Championship suspended for 3 weeks.

[madwullie]

53 minutes ago, Carnoustie Young Guvnor said:

You can choose to wear a mask if you want but its irrelevant as your mask doesn't protect you, its protects the people around you. So if the people around you are not wearing masks, and they're not, you are risking your life every time you go to work.  Its not fair to ask someone to do that.

You'll probably find that quite a few folk are nervous about this and potentially a couple of people wearing masks would start a bit of a landslide. That's whta happened at my wife's work and now they all wear masks. When she started back, no-one did

[Todd_is_God]

2 minutes ago, MP_MFC said:

Football below the Championship suspended for 3 weeks.

Lol

[welshbairn]

8 minutes ago, 101 said:

A factory or similar is not a public building. If you were the only person in 30m2 I don't think it would be proportional to demand they wear a mask.

The employer clearly feels there is no risk to staff as I said before they must have every measure other than face coverings in place on the factory floor and masks will be worn in communal areas which is law so clearly there is basic level of protection.

This, a blanket rule mandating masks at all times in every work place would be silly and unenforceable. 

[Thereisalight..]

I know Gary Neville talks a lot of shite at the best of times, wonder where he is getting the line that people will only be allowed out once a week. Full scale anarchy if that “rule” was introduced