Coronavirus (COVID-19)

[coprolite]

2 minutes ago, bendan said:

 

I haven't combed through every page, but is anyone actually saying that? I think the issue is that the media would like people to think huge percentages of those who get Covid will suffer 'Long Covid' - would you say that is categorically true? Millions of people have had Covid in the UK - if some have chest pains months later, how do you determine that it's the result of Covid? If some are depressed or have anxiety, how do you determine it's due to Covid?

I'm not doubting for a moment that some people struggle to shake off some of the effects, but media scaremongering over the numbers won't help us get back to a more normal situation in which people make rational assessments of health risks.

I've definitely seen posts on here saying that it's bullshit and is just post-viral fatigue. I don't think that's been a majority or even common view but it has been expressed. 

[Steven W]

2 minutes ago, MP_MFC said:

Yep. Freeman just made statement.

562,125 doses allocated for Scotland.
365,000 of these are with GPs or health boards.
155,025 doses of AZ and 42,100 Pfizer are either in transit or storage before being sent to Scotland.

Let me get this straight. 

There's currently 365,000 vaccines currently, for want of a better word, 'in stock'. Yet yesterday we only innoculated 16,000?

[Inanimate Carbon Rod]

3 hours ago, Bairnardo said:

Whilst you might be right in that this is how it turns out, it should be acceptable to no one and met with French style, car burning protests, general strikes etc. It wont, but as soon as hospital numbers show positive effects of the vaccine, life should be battering on towards normal.

Holidays etc might be subject to restriction for longer. That might be an inevitability but the idea that folk should accept life in Scotland under restriction indefinitely is shite and should me met with pure disdain and mass rule breaking until the message is received.

 

1 hour ago, djchapsticks said:

Yup, I've essentially privately written off any sort of significant foreign travel until at least 2022, probably 2023 and I'm quite comfortable with that if it means we can live our normal lives in this country as that is the very top priority.

I certainly don't enjoy the idea of never getting abroad again, though. I don't think people can be blamed for being upset at this prospect.

I dont agree re foreign travel. We should absolutely be allowing travel this summer providing we have the most vulnerable vaccinated. The only justification for not opening up is further mutation. 
We absolutely have to reach a point whereby the financial and wellbeing cost of staying lockdown is counteracted by the fact the most at risk are as protected as we can get them, by that stage the justification for the strongest measures absolutely no longer exists. But that shouldnt be due to the Scottish Government’s abject failure to properly roll out the vaccine and Freeman needs to go now. 

[effeffsee_the2nd]

Just now, coprolite said:

I've definitely seen posts on here saying that it's bullshit and is just post-viral fatigue. I don't think that's been a majority or even common view but it has been expressed. 

Depends where the scientists draw the line, I've heard from people who still feel very  tired and get  out of breath long after the infection has passed, whilst this is not ideal it is not having a huge impact on their life. I have also  heard from others who are still having serious debilitating conditions leaving them unable to work or enjoy any kind of normal life at all. both of these  could  both be defined as long covid or post covid syndrome but there is only one which gives me the fear

[bendan]

1 minute ago, MixuFruit said:

It's really weird they way they're saying 'we'll do it if there's demand' like they're waiting on folk phoning up and asking for it. Just do it ffs.

It looks like a lack of leadership or confidence about what they are doing. Waiting for the elderly to demand they speed things up?

[MP_MFC]

Let me get this straight. 
There's currently 365,000 vaccines currently, for want of a better word, 'in stock'. Yet yesterday we only innoculated 16,000?

Seems to be but I guess they

A) need to actually have people booked and attending the slots
B) don't want to fire through all the doses and then have people sitting doing nothing for weeks until we are confident the supplies will be coming.

It's still early stages and still apparently on track for the over 80s by month end and 400k per week by end of Feb.

Also sounds like they aren't using the mass sites yet which will greatly increase the numbers being done.

[welshbairn]

Just now, effeffsee_the2nd said:

Depends where the scientists draw the line, I've heard from people who still feel very  tired and get  out of breath long after the infection has passed, whilst this is not ideal it is not having a huge impact on their life. I have also  heard from others who are still having serious debilitating conditions leaving them unable to work or enjoy any kind of normal life at all. both of these  could  both be defined as long covid or post covid syndrome but there is only one which gives me the fear

The thing about Covid is it doesn't only attack the lungs, it can go for other organs, including the brain. It's not surprising there can be long lasting effects. Sounds like you have to be pretty unlucky to get them though.

[welshbairn]

6 minutes ago, MixuFruit said:

It's really weird they way they're saying 'we'll do it if there's demand' like they're waiting on folk phoning up and asking for it. Just do it ffs.

Getting the over 80s out of the way was always going to be the slowest bit. Waiting for call back to see if I can get mine at the same time as I wheel my Mother in for hers on Tuesday. It would be daft to need 4 appointments for the pair of us instead of just the 2.

[Sergeant Wilson]

29 minutes ago, Granny Danger said:

There’s tons of non-essential work being carried out by tradespeople.  As always it will be the less scrupulous that will be ignoring the rules.

Are you still putting up my curtain rails?

Edited January 13, 2021 by Sergeant Wilson

[Rugster]

30 minutes ago, Granny Danger said:

There’s tons of non-essential work being carried out by tradespeople.  As always it will be the less scrupulous that will be ignoring the rules.

Yes. Our toilet flusher broke on Monday night and I got our plumber in to fix it on Monday morning. He was saying he was only doing things like that and burst pipes broken boilers etc.  He called a woman to cancel a new bathroom install as it was not essential and said she went mental and was going somewhere else. 

[bendan]

8 minutes ago, welshbairn said:

It's not surprising there can be long lasting effects. Sounds like you have to be pretty unlucky to get them though.

And you would hope that was the message being put out by a public service broadcaster.

[thisal]

17 hours ago, Ron Aldo said:

Do we really need bats? They seem to be disease carrying vermin from what I can make out.

Kill all bats is my solution.

Who's going to eat the midges?

[Todd_is_God]

14 minutes ago, MP_MFC said:

Seems to be but I guess they

A) need to actually have people booked and attending the slots
B) don't want to fire through all the doses and then have people sitting doing nothing for weeks until we are confident the supplies will be coming.

It's still early stages and still apparently on track for the over 80s by month end and 400k per week by end of Feb.

Also sounds like they aren't using the mass sites yet which will greatly increase the numbers being done.
 

Hahaha what?

Not a chance we will get anywhere near the ability to vaccinate all 2m on the "at risk" list in just 5 weeks. Behave.

Edited January 13, 2021 by Todd_is_God

[RiG]

Johnson has said they are looking to open 24/7 vaccination centres ASAP.

ETA: Maybe I've imagined this but I am sure I saw mention of a country (or multiple countries) looking to minimise vaccine wastage by offering soon to expire vaccines on a first come first served basis to ordinary Joe Bloggs.

Edited January 13, 2021 by RiG

[Paco]

 

I can’t read the article but this looks like a good bit of reporting. Anyone able to post it?

The key is in when the outstanding 150k were delivered. If they mostly landed all at once, towards the end of last week, then fair enough, it takes time to distribute and get appointments going. If not then my defence of the Scottish Government in this case goes in the bin.

[SoapMactavish]

1 hour ago, Todd_is_God said:

How would this compare to the ratio of people still suffering similar complications following being hospitalised with a severe bout of flu or, perhaps more significantly, pneumonia?

Would you expect that a vaccine which, at the very least prevents severe covid, to significantly reduce the number of people experiencing this?

Its hard to say in all fairness as it isn’t something I’ve noticed before with other conditions.

Perhaps its similar but its likely the sheer number of infections that are causing the amount of people I am seeing with more chronic symptoms. 

2018-2019 was a bad flu year numbers wise but there was not a notable amount of people coming in months later.

Could just be observer bias that I didn’t notice it before, but its signifcant if you see 30 patients referred for chest imaging and around half of them have previous covid infection and ongoing symptoms. 

16 minutes ago, bendan said:

 

I haven't combed through every page, but is anyone actually saying that? I think the issue is that the media would like people to think huge percentages of those who get Covid will suffer 'Long Covid' - would you say that is categorically true? Millions of people have had Covid in the UK - if some have chest pains months later, how do you determine that it's the result of Covid? If some are depressed or have anxiety, how do you determine it's due to Covid? 

I'm not doubting for a moment that some people struggle to shake off some of the effects, but media scaremongering over the numbers won't help us get back to a more normal situation in which people make rational assessments of health risks.

Lung function tests and imaging mainly for physical symptoms. A significant amount of folk have lasting damage visible on chest x-rays months and months after which isn’t the case with the majority of respiratory infections.

Its a strange old disease, some people were presenting (and still are) with fairly mild symptoms but a horrendous looking chest (insert kenneth williams image here) and silent hypoxia.

If it wasn’t so much of a pain in the arse it would be really interesting to study. 

 

[Caledonian1]

Really don't get the negativity regarding the vaccination of huge numbers in Scotland by the end of February.

 

Although, anyone looking at the BBC Scotland site right now might be a little disappointed - 

1. Nearly 200,000 people have been vaccinated in Scotland - that includes 80% of care home residents and 55% of care home staff
2. Approximately 52% of NHS workers have received their first injection and 2% of over-80s living in the community have been vaccinated
3. Twenty-four vaccinations will be possible at big centres, such as at Ravenscraig sports centre, by the end of February
4. Education Secretary John Swinney says IT problems which some pupils had suffered at the start of the week were now solved
5. National Records of Scotland report that 7,074 fatalities have now been registered in Scotland where Covid-19 was mentioned on the death certificate
6. The first minister will update MSPs on Scotland's Covid-19 restrictions ahead of First Minister's Questions
7. Fewer than half of those using NHS Scotland's Covid-19 app who tested positive entered the code to alert other users that they should isolate
8. Figures obtained by the BBC show that up to 10 December, 27,239 codes were issued, but only 11,549 were uploaded

I really hope that they just missed out the word "hour" after twenty four....good old BBC...well they did start to employ the use of dunderheids from the tabloids.....

Edited January 13, 2021 by Caledonian1

[Marshmallo]

2 minutes ago, Tynierose said:

As i said a few weeks ago they knew vaccines were coming so why not have this planned in advance in all of UK.

I mean we keep getting told its the biggest crisis since the war so get the fucking injections done.   Oh no I may have to get a jab at 1am, well so be it, taken the hit.  We want this done so get on with it.  

And before someone goes on about there 89 year old maw not being able to attend at 1 in morning plenty of younger people would be happy too 

No excuses for not having this is place as soon as vaccines arrived.  Half arsed as per.

There are people in "priority" groups who are perfectly capable of going in the middle of the night. 50-60 year olds who are still working would quite happily get the vaccine at 4am if need be I'm sure.

[vikingTON]

24 minutes ago, Inanimate Carbon Rod said:

 

But that shouldnt be due to the Scottish Government’s abject failure to properly roll out the vaccine and Freeman needs to go now. 

Micromanaging a logistical roll-out of vaccines seems like a better use of Swinney's poindexter mindset than an education brief that he's completely floundering in. Freeman should have been put in the corner and told to play with a detached computer keyboard months ago instead of overseeing the most important public health programmes in decades.

[Scosha]

I would gladly get up at 2am for a jag if it meant everyone getting back to normal more quickly. This constant 'oh we might do this' approach to everything from the SG is pathetic. We know you'll end up doing it at some point, just do it now ffs.