Coronavirus (COVID-19)

[Rugster]

If you need to be incentivised to get this vaccine you should be at the very bottom of the queue. 

[Carnoustie Young Guvnor]

32 minutes ago, Left Back said:

Unless you’re officially exempt (home schooling) then good luck with that.  Education is one of the most important things a society does which is why you have a legal obligation to send your kids to school.

 Education is a right in this country.  International travel is a privilege.  
 

Refusing someone employment if they hadn’t had a vaccine is surely legally questionable?

Its already happening.  Education may be a right but things evolve, I can absolutely see that being a thing very soon, either your parents are vaccinated or you are, or you can't go to school. Would you want your kids going to school knowing they could bring something home that might kill you? This has changed everything, the world will never be the same again now.

[Rugster]

Just now, Carnoustie Young Guvnor said:

Its already happening.  Education may be a right but things evolve, I can absolutely see that being a thing very soon, either your parents are vaccinated or you are, or you can't go to school. Would you want your kids going to school knowing they could bring something home that might kill you? This has changed everything, the world will never be the same again now.

Under 16s aren’t being vaccinated you utter fucking fantasist. 

[Carnoustie Young Guvnor]

1 minute ago, Rugster said:

Under 16s aren’t being vaccinated you utter fucking fantasist. 

Yeah but their parents might have to be.  Bookmark this post and we can discuss it in 18 months.  

[s_dog]

46 minutes ago, Elixir said:

I'm still not getting the obsession with case numbers once hospitalisations, and therefore deaths, return to normal levels.

Isn't the interest they have in monitoring case numbers because they can very quickly start to rise in an out of control way, and despite what the covid-sceptics say about false positives and a PCR test not fit for purpose etc, when case numbers get high, soon after hospital admissions start to rise, ICU admissions go up and then deaths.  

[Guest]

1 minute ago, Carnoustie Young Guvnor said:

Its already happening.  Education may be a right but things evolve, I can absolutely see that being a thing very soon, either your parents are vaccinated or you are, or you can't go to school. Would you want your kids going to school knowing they could bring something home that might kill you? This has changed everything, the world will never be the same again now.

Ultimately the general public will decide and I can assure you, they WONT be going for this !!

Remember, the UK is a very poor example as we're subservient by nature but don't think for one minute that the likes of the French, Spanish, Italians or Eastern Europeans will stand by and accept any of this.

[Fullerene]

36 minutes ago, Left Back said:

Maybe not.  He might have been off sick if and when he was vaccinated.  Sir Trevor will likely know.

Maybe not.  If he was in an accident he might have gone to hospital, been placed into an induced coma and been given the jab without being concious.

Having said that, I suspect the person who gave him the jab (whatever the circumstances) will probably know.

[Carnoustie Young Guvnor]

1 minute ago, WATTOO said:

Ultimately the general public will decide and I can assure you, they WONT be going for this !!

Remember, the UK is a very poor example as we're subservient by nature but don't think for one minute that the likes of the French, Spanish, Italians or Eastern Europeans will stand by and accept any of this.

Yeah totally man, we're a nation of renegades who would never let archaic clowns like Jacob Rees Mogg foist Brexit on us.....wait a minute.

This has changed the world forever, that's what I was saying last night and ridiculed as some people find uncomfortable truths uncomfortable so lash out at the messenger. Things will never be the same again.

[budmiester1]

52 minutes ago, Bairnardo said:

1 hour ago, Elixir said:

I will definitely take the vaccine when offered and I can just about accept proof of vaccination for entering a country as it will eventually do away with the need for testing and mask wearing, even though it should largely be pointless in future once Covid-19 settles into the population and doesn't cause excess deaths.
However, I don't think it will become widespread or acceptable to enter shops, hospitality venues, etc. There are just so many problems with the idea. In fairness, the UK Government have already ruled this out. Sure, some hipster businesses might experiment with it... until customers go elsewhere.

I will get vaccinated. However, if any business demands to see my health records they wont be getting my money. Very much a step too far.

Bairnardo, I would do the exact opposite ,I'd be asking for a discount as you can prove you're not a transmission risk and therefore a good business "experience" not sure on the word I'm looking for.

[parsforlife]

2 minutes ago, WATTOO said:

Ultimately the general public will decide and I can assure you, they WONT be going for this !!

Remember, the UK is a very poor example as we're subservient by nature but don't think for one minute that the likes of the French, Spanish, Italians or Eastern Europeans will stand by and accept any of this.

The french and Italians who already have laws aimed at preventing non-vaccinated kids into schools,  those french and Italians?

It’s clearly possible to try and keep kids from entering schools if unvacianted,  it’s being implemented in several countries worldwide.

On refusing to employing those who refuse(note not unable via health reasons) vaccines.  You can sack someone for not wearing a hard hat,  of course you should be able to sack someone for refusing to follow a rule that makes your company safer.

f**k being the guy being sued cos you sent an anti-vax c**t to a vulnerable customers house who later died. 

[The Stig]

6 minutes ago, s_dog said:

Isn't the interest they have in monitoring case numbers because they can very quickly start to rise in an out of control way, and despite what the covid-sceptics say about false positives and a PCR test not fit for purpose etc, when case numbers get high, soon after hospital admissions start to rise, ICU admissions go up and then deaths.  

But if you have vaccinated the people most likely to require hospitalation (majority but not exclusively older people) then the numbers of hospital admissions should not rise nearly as much which will then have a knock on effect on ICU and ultimately death figures

[welshbairn]

Have they not refused kids in school whose parents won't let them have the MMR vaccine? Maybe that was in America during a measles outbreak. But they definitely refuse you into some South American countries if you haven't had a yellow fever jag. There will still be people who can't have the vaccine because of allergies or whatever, I'd be happy for them to ban people who refuse a vaccine from flights to protect them.

Edited January 14, 2021 by welshbairn

[Ginaro]

4 hours ago, renton said:

PHS Covid dashboard. Go into trends tab. There is a drop down menu that let's you see the historical trends for both LAs and health authorities.

3 hours ago, DeeTillEhDeh said:

https://public.tableau.com/profile/phs.covid.19#!/vizhome/COVID-19DailyDashboard_15960160643010/Overview

Thanks. The thing that missing which travelling tabby has on his site is the 7 day rate, instead it just shows the 100k rate for each day but at least it has the historical trend.

 

Edited January 14, 2021 by Ginaro

[Todd_is_God]

31 minutes ago, Carnoustie Young Guvnor said:

Maybe not shops, but your employer might. A couple have already, this is obviously going to be how things are from now on.  I can't remember what company it was just today released a statement literally saying 'no jag no job'. That's how it will be.

Im not convinced Pimlico Plumbers are the type of organisation you would want to be championing tbh.

[s_dog]

2 minutes ago, The Stig said:

But if you have vaccinated the people most likely to require hospitalation (majority but not exclusively older people) then the numbers of hospital admissions should not rise nearly as much which will then have a knock on effect on ICU and ultimately death figures

I was thinking more of before we'd even got to that stage, but yes definitely that must be the hope once they get through vaccinating everyone in the priority list. There'll probably still be some concern about trying to keep the cases as low as they can but it'll be much easier trade-off to open things up more as long as they can keep hospital admissions down.

For vaccinations, and the stuff about people potentially being required to get one in some cases. What do you all think about people who work in hospitals, care homes etc, would anyone ever agree that its acceptable they should be told they need to get a vaccine to continue in their roles (health reasons excepted), or should it always be up to the individual?

[Carnoustie Young Guvnor]

19 minutes ago, parsforlife said:

The french and Italians who already have laws aimed at preventing non-vaccinated kids into schools,  those french and Italians?

It’s clearly possible to try and keep kids from entering schools if unvacianted,  it’s being implemented in several countries worldwide.

On refusing to employing those who refuse(note not unable via health reasons) vaccines.  You can sack someone for not wearing a hard hat,  of course you should be able to sack someone for refusing to follow a rule that makes your company safer.

f**k being the guy being sued cos you sent an anti-vax c**t to a vulnerable customers house who later died. 

Great post

[Guest]

13 minutes ago, parsforlife said:

The french and Italians who already have laws aimed at preventing non-vaccinated kids into schools,  those french and Italians?

It’s clearly possible to try and keep kids from entering schools if unvacianted,  it’s being implemented in several countries worldwide.

On refusing to employing those who refuse(note not unable via health reasons) vaccines.  You can sack someone for not wearing a hard hat,  of course you should be able to sack someone for refusing to follow a rule that makes your company safer.

f**k being the guy being sued cos you sent an anti-vax c**t to a vulnerable customers house who later died. 

I appreciate the sentiment, however it's unworkable in practice given that we could be literally years away from having everyone worldwide vaccinated.

Over and above this there's no guarantee that new variants wont leave the current vaccines near to useless and this vaccination programme would then need to be never ending to keep up with the various strains.

Remember, this isn't like a "once in a lifetime" vaccination it's expected to be required at least once a year which would make blanket laws unenforceable and unworkable.

[Carnoustie Young Guvnor]

5 minutes ago, s_dog said:

I was thinking more of before we'd even got to that stage, but yes definitely that must be the hope once they get through vaccinating everyone in the priority list. There'll probably still be some concern about trying to keep the cases as low as they can but it'll be much easier trade-off to open things up more as long as they can keep hospital admissions down.

For vaccinations, and the stuff about people potentially being required to get one in some cases. What do you all think about people who work in hospitals, care homes etc, would anyone ever agree that its acceptable they should be told they need to get a vaccine to continue in their roles (health reasons excepted), or should it always be up to the individual?

Absolutely, that's already happening all over the shop with care homes and day care centres etc.  These are vulnerable people, absolutely anyone coming into contact with them on a daily basis will have to be vaccinated, as will they.

[Wee Bully]

Im not convinced Pimlico Plumbers are the type of organisation you would want to be championing tbh.

I’ve not seen anything, so interested. Why?

[Elixir]

1 hour ago, s_dog said:

When was this, got a link?

Especially as the JCVI priority list includes over 50's. But maybe after then..... 

I would have to trawl Twitter for it.

54 minutes ago, Sherrif John Bunnell said:

Front page of the FT tomorrow. The next step of Bill Gates' master plan to spy on us all via Covid jags.

Ultimately I just want to be be able to travel relatively freely again, and given it has always been an ordeal to board an aircraft, if it now means showing proof of vaccination in place of testing or mask wearing then so be it. Though I don't see where the responsibility will fall, i.e. at the point of entry or the airline. Ryanair have said they won't require proof of vaccination, for example.

The thing is, over the next year or so the virus will settle into the population and, as most scientists believe, will be no more of a threat than seasonal flu. Indeed, as I posted yesterday, there are also plausible suggestions it may ultimately end up being a fifth common cold strain in future.

So, regarding either of the above scenarios, there should be no need for health passports in the long-term. It is just overreach and mission creep for weirdo WEF-types, and a slippery slope for a whole host of other reasons.

24 minutes ago, s_dog said:

Isn't the interest they have in monitoring case numbers because they can very quickly start to rise in an out of control way, and despite what the covid-sceptics say about false positives and a PCR test not fit for purpose etc, when case numbers get high, soon after hospital admissions start to rise, ICU admissions go up and then deaths.  

But case numbers shouldn't 'spiral out of control' once the pandemic phase is over and there is embedded immunity in the population. Plus, any future cases of infection or re-infection should be mild in nature, as is now quite widely documented, and so again, will not impact on healthcare capacity.

While it's obviously understandable right now, I also wonder at what point the media will cease with this obsession.