Coronavirus (COVID-19)

[madwullie]

Just now, Granny Danger said:

I agree with much of this, including people being wary about socialising in public.   One thing I’m not sure about is people’s personal finances.

Don’t get me wrong, there will be some people hit really, really badly but the majority will either still be working or furloughed on 80% or full pay.

Also folk who go out regularly will have saved quite a lot because of the lockdown.

The aggregate effect, therefore, might not be as bad as you suggesting. 

Yeah I personally am on pip and esa and I haven't spent a penny, so although they aren't a pot of money, I have managed to "save" a decent sum. Helps that my wife has a salary obviously, but I'm usually relatively skint by the time the next payment goes in. 

I suppose it depends on how skin of the teeth you are with your bills. People with a little disposable income could quite easily have built up a nice wee pile, especially if their main outgoing is getting leathered in pubs at the weekend. 

[superbigal]

Sir Dave Spiegelhalter certainly says it like a tin of Ron seal.

[Moomintroll]

2 minutes ago, bennett said:

A half arsed lockdown which came far too late, we can blame them for that,

 

A prime minister who was telling people that it was ok to shake peoples hands and downplaying the risk, we can blame for that.

I agree benny.

 

[Mark Connolly]

Just now, superbigal said:

Sir Dave Spiegelhalter certainly says it like a tin of Ron seal.

Is that the guy who was just on Marr?

He certainly didn't miss any of his targets

[madwullie]

5 minutes ago, sparky88 said:

If the NHS is being overwhemed, it is already too late for a lockdown, given that there's a three week gap between getting covid19 and dying from it. I don't think we will see a lockdown again. Especially as there's some evidence they don't make a difference - sweden, Iceland etc.

Well, if the nhs is going to be overwhelmed would be a better way to put it then. 

Lockdown's purpose was to stop that happening so in that regard I think we can say that it was pretty effective - as was punting infected old codgers back into care homes obv 

Edited May 10, 2020 by madwullie

[O'Kelly Isley III]

3 minutes ago, superbigal said:

Sir Dave Spiegelhalter certainly says it like a tin of Ron seal.

That interview with Andrew Marr should be shown tonight directly before Johnson's latest clenched-fist ham actor vapourings.

[Mark Connolly]

Jenrick says Stay Alert will mean Stay at Home, but Stay Alert if you go out.

Brilliant

[craigkillie]

1 hour ago, 101 said:

You can get an electric charging point essentially free of charge from Transport Scotland https://energysavingtrust.org.uk/scotland/grants-loans/domestic-charge-point-funding

I do agree all new builds now should have an electric charger in the drive way or on the street outside.

We live on a terrace with no off-street parking so we wouldn't be able to get one of these installed. We do have a lane round the back and have made a space for the car at the bottom of our back garden, but it's a grass lane and gets muddy in winter. In theory we could put a charging point down there and run a cable all the way up to the house, but we can only park there about half the year so we'd be fucked in the winter.

 

[Bairnardo]

1 minute ago, Mark Connolly said:

Jenrick says Stay Alert will mean Stay at Home, but Stay Alert if you go out.

Brilliant

Outstanding. A totally deliberate muddying of the waters then.... Just another tactic to ensure that no accountability rests with the tories. Sparky posted earlier that there some evidence of lockdown not actually making  much of a difference, of course no one will ever admit that, but they will slowly give the public more and more leeway to interpret the rules, and once it's gone it probably wont be back

 

[madwullie]

This new message is pretty much at odds with what sturgeon was saying the other day. Gonna be a lot of raging unionists getting huckle by the polis because SHE DOESN'T SPEAK FOR ME. 

[madwullie]

1 minute ago, Bairnardo said:

Outstanding. A totally deliberate muddying of the waters then.... Just another tactic to ensure that no accountability rests with the tories. Sparky posted earlier that there some evidence of lockdown not actually making  much of a difference, of course no one will ever admit that, but they will slowly give the public more and more leeway to interpret the rules, and once it's gone it probably wont be back

 

The pictures from Italy a fortnight before we "locked down" is the evidence that lockdowns work. The point was to stop the nhs getting past bursting point - saving lives was a secondary objective (which obvs we fucked) 

[Mark Connolly]

2 minutes ago, Bairnardo said:

Outstanding. A totally deliberate muddying of the waters then.... Just another tactic to ensure that no accountability rests with the tories. Sparky posted earlier that there some evidence of lockdown not actually making  much of a difference, of course no one will ever admit that, but they will slowly give the public more and more leeway to interpret the rules, and once it's gone it probably wont be back

 

Apparently Boris is taking a very cautious approach

[101]

1 hour ago, MixuFixit said:

This is fine for people with off street car parking but they're dragging their feet over solutions for everyone else. Stirling P&R was supposed to have an 80 car charging station more than a year ago for example. Lamppost charging is only viable when the lampposts are on the kerb side and in Scotland they're virtually all on the other side of the pavement.

Eventually we will have some kind of kerb side solution tapping into the lampposts. But until we get there public car parks should be at least 50% electric chargers

2 minutes ago, craigkillie said:

We live on a terrace with no off-street parking so we wouldn't be able to get one of these installed. We do have a lane round the back and have made a space for the car at the bottom of our back garden, but it's a grass lane and gets muddy in winter. In theory we could put a charging point down there and run a cable all the way up to the house, but we can only park there about half the year so we'd be fucked in the winter.

 

Electric car does sound totally impractical and unless you live in Aberdeen or Orkney hydrogen power isn't any good either. I guess self charging hybrids are the next best thing in your circumstances. 

[Chewing Taffies]

Stay alert at home folks. That's the clear message here.

[Todd_is_God]

1 hour ago, Bairnardo said:

That being said, you also have to take into consideration the possibility that we are using a sledgehammer to crack a walnut. The statistics are going the right way, and without knowing the true infection rate we will never know if the lockdown actually made much difference. So its probably worth trying a smaller hammer.

Without any guarantees of a vaccine, controlled build up of immunity within the limits of hospital capacity to treat those who get it bad is pretty much our only realistic option, unless anyone thinks its realistic to live like this indefinitely which it isnt.

What we need now is folk just to be considerate and patient and careful. Probably wont happen though.

From a Scottish point of view, over the last 7 days we are averaging under 200 new cases per day, which is a number that is nosediving atm.

If we keep the restrictions in place there is a real likeliehood this number would be in double figures in a few weeks.

Whether the lockdown has been effective or not we would be as well keeping it in place, and using the few weeks to acquire face masks for everyone. 

With <100 cases per day, and face masks mandatory outside your house, the risk would be tiny and numbers would continue to fall.

The media have not helped at all during this. Firstly, they have everyone convinced a vaccine is A certain, and B could be ready as early as this time this year. On the back of that people are ok with the line 'oh we can just do x, y and z till then as it's not that far away' They never consider that it may never happen and just say "12-18 months" if you ask them about it.

Secondly, they have created a fear that going outside for anything other than exercising or going to do a food shop automatically means you will catch the virus, end up in ICU, and kill your relatives. This is observed everywhere from twitter posts about football and KFC and from the poster who took his son to see a digger.

Providing you are sensible when outside, the risk of catching the virus is now miniscule.

[Mark Connolly]

Just now, Chewing Taffies said:

Stay alert at home folks. That's the clear message here.

I thought it was stay at home while on alert

[effeffsee_the2nd]

18 minutes ago, madwullie said:

The govt are basically ditching all responsibility for this, so it looks like it comes down to the individual to protect themselves and their families as best as they can for their own personal circumstances. It's not great by any manner of means, but here we are. Imo we should really have a proper lockdown for a few extra weeks to make sure we get the virus to manageable levels and have the infrastructure in place to test trace & isolate as we come out slowly. For some unknown reason, this is too hard for the UK govt to accomplish though, so all we can do is protect ourselves. 

I certainly won't be at the pictures, a restaurant, the football or probably even inside my dad's house for the foreseeable future. 

I also think that despite opening etc, most restaurants etc are going to really really struggle. People will be very wary of going near them, they will have to have distancing measures implemented inside meaning capacity is slashed, and people in general are pretty fucking skint after the kicking they've taken over the last 7 weeks, so probably won't have too much disposable income. 

I do think it's going to take a vaccine until we approach anywhere near what we would consider to be normal. 

Sorry mate too much of this kind of thinking going on. for the vast vast majority who get this it's nothing more than very unpleasant, what we need to be doing is preventing the virus from finding it's way to the vulnerable.  Other countries had full blown curfews in place for weeks on end but that didn't save them from sky high death rates , again a large number were elederly in care homes you know the kind of people who are not out and about in public all that much anyway , whilst some countries had very light or no lockdowns at all and have not suffered huge death rates.   it's all about testing and management.  funily enough we've had neither .  For most people the lockdown has been manageable so I don't know why anyone thinks having the police go about lik the gestapo fining anyone who dares to take a walk round the streets would achieve anything other than to piss everyone off who was otherwise going along with it

[Todd_is_God]

3 minutes ago, madwullie said:

The pictures from Italy a fortnight before we "locked down" is the evidence that lockdowns work.

Pictures from one region of one country are not evidence lockdowns work any more than they are not.

[Bairnardo]

1 minute ago, Todd_is_God said:

From a Scottish point of view, over the last 7 days we are averaging under 200 new cases per day, which is a number that is nosediving atm.

If we keep the restrictions in place there is a real likeliehood this number would be in double figures in a few weeks.

Whether the lockdown has been effective or not we would be as well keeping it in place, and using the few weeks to acquire face masks for everyone. 

With <100 cases per day, and face masks mandatory outside your house, the risk would be tiny and numbers would continue to fall.

The media have not helped at all during this. Firstly, they have everyone convinced a vaccine is A certain, and B could be ready as early as this time this year. On the back of that people are ok with the line 'oh we can just do x, y and z till then as it's not that far away' They never consider that it may never happen and just say "12-18 months" if you ask them about it.

Secondly, they have created a fear that going outside for anything other than exercising or going to do a food shop automatically means you will catch the virus, end up in ICU, and kill your relatives. This is observed everywhere from twitter posts about football and KFC and from the poster who took his son to see a digger.

Providing you are sensible when outside, the risk of catching the virus is now miniscule.

Yeah the mixture of narratives has been insane tbh and massively unhelpful. 

You mention facemasks though, that has all gone quiet. Another thing that may be of use but has been touched on a few times and not followed up

[Chewing Taffies]

3 minutes ago, Mark Connolly said:

I thought it was stay at home while on alert

Oh yeh sorry that's it. I think