vikingTON Posted May 16, 2020 Share Posted May 16, 2020 On 30/03/2020 at 16:31, virginton said: This is the relatively easy honeymoon period for politicians all over the world as their populations want to believe that their leaders are doing the right thing. That sentiment doesn't last for ever though. And even right now in the usually deferential UK around a third of people still don't trust what the Johnson administration is saying. https://www.theguardian.com/business/2020/may/16/revolt-over-easing-lockdown-spreads-as-poll-slump-hits-prime-minister Net approval of the UK government's response is now in the minus digits having been +40 points seven weeks ago. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted May 16, 2020 Share Posted May 16, 2020 (edited) 33 minutes ago, Todd_is_God said: Age and a pre-existing condition combined is the main factor At all age groups, having no underlying condition greatly reduces your chances of dying. Younger people with underlying conditions appear less vulnerable. Would you do me a favour and post links to the sources for your data? I've got no idea what that means or where it refers to. Also, while I'm asking, if you could put labels on your graphs it would be nice. Edited May 16, 2020 by welshbairn 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Todd_is_God Posted May 16, 2020 Share Posted May 16, 2020 2 minutes ago, welshbairn said: Would you do me a favour and post links to the sources for your data? I've got no idea what that means or where it refers to. Also, while I'm asking, if you could put labels on your graphs it would be nice. https://www.england.nhs.uk/statistics/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2020/05/COVID-19-total-announced-deaths-16-May-2020-1.xlsx 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted May 16, 2020 Share Posted May 16, 2020 (edited) 7 minutes ago, Todd_is_God said: https://www.england.nhs.uk/statistics/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2020/05/COVID-19-total-announced-deaths-16-May-2020-1.xlsx You mean this? Edited May 16, 2020 by welshbairn 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H Wragg Posted May 16, 2020 Share Posted May 16, 2020 How does everyone think the 1st June English schools reopening will pan out? Quite a few times I've seen BBC articles with comments enabled and the ones which are to the right politically seem to be the ones with a higher plus rating. In this article though, the pro government ones are heavily marked down. Are the tories swimming against the tide on this one? Will things fall into place before the 1st? https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-52692017 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaz FFC Posted May 16, 2020 Share Posted May 16, 2020 8 minutes ago, H Wragg said: How does everyone think the 1st June English schools reopening will pan out? Quite a few times I've seen BBC articles with comments enabled and the ones which are to the right politically seem to be the ones with a higher plus rating. In this article though, the pro government ones are heavily marked down. Are the tories swimming against the tide on this one? Will things fall into place before the 1st? https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-52692017 Are private schools going back in June? The answer lies in that 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David W Posted May 16, 2020 Share Posted May 16, 2020 1 hour ago, Gaz said: I can mind the first time I taught trigonometry and how a good chunk of my class could not grasp that concepts like "North", "South", "left", "right", "up", "in front" were human constructs. The North end of a compass points towards "North". Which means it's being attracted that way. Which means that North is actually South. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H Wragg Posted May 16, 2020 Share Posted May 16, 2020 Are private schools going back in June? The answer lies in thatI saw someone on Twitter earlier saying that the primary school parts were.I have no idea if this is accurate or not. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Todd_is_God Posted May 16, 2020 Share Posted May 16, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, welshbairn said: You mean this? No I don't mean that. Try flicking through the tabs. We know that underlying health conditions are a factor, a fact clearly visible in my post which shows 95% of all covid-19 deaths in hospitals in England had at least 1 underlying health condition. Breaking them down by condition is largely irrelevant, especially if 70% are listed as 'other' Having an underlying condition on its own is not the full picture. The table I posted clearly shows that a combination of age plus an underlying health condition is where the risk is, and that risk increases as people get older. A 20 year old with diabetes is not at the same risk as an 80 year old with diabetes. Similarly an 80 year old with no underlying health conditions is at relatively low risk. These are important considerations when it comes to protecting those most at risk post lockdown. It also shows that grandparents *can* look after grandchildren with minimal risk, providing they have no underlying health conditions. Edited May 16, 2020 by Todd_is_God 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Todd_is_God Posted May 16, 2020 Share Posted May 16, 2020 https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/healthandsocialcare/conditionsanddiseases/bulletins/coronaviruscovid19infectionsurveypilot/england14may2020 Age itself is not a factor in being infected in the first place, which solidifies the points raised above. A lot of this has been known for months, even when it was still mainly in China back in January. I find it slightly strange that people would argue against it (I can't remember who said it, but read the post not the poster) and simply staggering that the government appear incapable of digesting, communicating and acting upon it given we are now midway through May. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thereisalight.. Posted May 17, 2020 Share Posted May 17, 2020 4 hours ago, Todd_is_God said: Because "We're all in it together" and doing so would be discrimination, apparantly That “we’re all in this together” line is up there with the “new normal”, “stay safe...”. Does my fcking head in 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coprolite Posted May 17, 2020 Share Posted May 17, 2020 3 hours ago, Todd_is_God said: https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/healthandsocialcare/conditionsanddiseases/bulletins/coronaviruscovid19infectionsurveypilot/england14may2020 Age itself is not a factor in being infected in the first place, which solidifies the points raised above. A lot of this has been known for months, even when it was still mainly in China back in January. I find it slightly strange that people would argue against it (I can't remember who said it, but read the post not the poster) and simply staggering that the government appear incapable of digesting, communicating and acting upon it given we are now midway through May. If i read their info correctly, they are estimating the numbers outside hospital or care homes that test positive. Is that your understanding? If so what do you think that implies for the population as a whole? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlipperyP Posted May 17, 2020 Share Posted May 17, 2020 (edited) You're no getting in. Passenger flights ban extended to 30th June. We have only 114 known active cases here and we don't want anyone to bring it here, stay away and wear masks. They work! https://www.bangkokpost.com/thailand/general/1919220/inbound-flight-ban-extended-to-end-of-june Last 3 days have produced 14th May 0 new cases 15th May 7 new cases (all from a flight from Pakistan, Thais returning home) which are all in quarantine since arrival 16th May 0 new cases Looks like the tinpot Thais are doing ok. Edited May 17, 2020 by SlipperyP 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dirty dingus Posted May 17, 2020 Share Posted May 17, 2020 These folk are mental. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Theroadlesstravelled Posted May 17, 2020 Share Posted May 17, 2020 Thrombosis is fairly common is people 70 and older I’d imagine. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marty_j Posted May 17, 2020 Share Posted May 17, 2020 I honestly think many are overthinking this. First of all this is a global pandemic and each and every country is responding in a different way...slightly differently or significantly differently. The UK is not being held up as an example of how NOT to manage this situation anywhere except here in the UK...and maybe only here on P&B. Plenty of articles in foreign media doing just that in fairness. https://www.smh.com.au/world/europe/biggest-failure-in-a-generation-where-did-britain-go-wrong-20200428-p54o2d.html https://rep.repubblica.it/pwa/generale/2020/04/23/news/regno_unito_dall_immunita_di_gregge_ai_ritardi_sulle_mascherine_tutti_gli_errori_del_governo_johnson-254814814/?refresh_ce https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/videos/world/2020/05/03/uk-response-coronavirus-boris-johnson-nick-paton-walsh-pkg-vpx.cnn?__twitter_impression=true https://www.cbc.ca/amp/1.5554837?__twitter_impression=true https://www.newyorker.com/news/daily-comment/the-comforting-and-misleading-political-response-to-britains-coronavirus-disaster https://www.reuters.com/investigates/special-report/health-coronavirus-britain-elderly/ https://sicnoticias.pt/especiais/coronavirus/2020-05-05-Covid-19-Reino-Unido-supera-Italia-e-e-o-pais-europeu-com-mais-mortes Yet on a day when Covid-19 death toll in the UK alone was more than eleven 7/7s, more than six Hillsboroughs, four-and-a-half Aberfans, three Herald of Free Enterprises, 12 Marchioness's, twenty Kings Cross fires The S@n ran with “Happy Monday “ 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hk blues Posted May 17, 2020 Share Posted May 17, 2020 4 minutes ago, marty_j said: Plenty of articles in foreign media doing just that in fairness. https://www.smh.com.au/world/europe/biggest-failure-in-a-generation-where-did-britain-go-wrong-20200428-p54o2d.html https://rep.repubblica.it/pwa/generale/2020/04/23/news/regno_unito_dall_immunita_di_gregge_ai_ritardi_sulle_mascherine_tutti_gli_errori_del_governo_johnson-254814814/?refresh_ce https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/videos/world/2020/05/03/uk-response-coronavirus-boris-johnson-nick-paton-walsh-pkg-vpx.cnn?__twitter_impression=true https://www.cbc.ca/amp/1.5554837?__twitter_impression=true https://www.newyorker.com/news/daily-comment/the-comforting-and-misleading-political-response-to-britains-coronavirus-disaster https://www.reuters.com/investigates/special-report/health-coronavirus-britain-elderly/ https://sicnoticias.pt/especiais/coronavirus/2020-05-05-Covid-19-Reino-Unido-supera-Italia-e-e-o-pais-europeu-com-mais-Cortes Yet on a day when Covid-19 death toll in the UK alone wad more than eleven 7/7s, more than six Hillsboroughs, four-and-a-half Aberfans, three Herald of Free Enterprises, 12 Marchioness's, twenty Kings Cross fires The S@n ran with “Happy Monday “ It's the Sun mate... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marty_j Posted May 17, 2020 Share Posted May 17, 2020 It's the Sun mate... You are rightBut the point is we are getting plenty of criticism around world Hardly any by our own media Plenty of similar front pages that day - does not seem to be any analysis of the lies coming out of no 10 such as Hancock’s complete bullshit on shielding care homes. An utter lie reported as fact 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
throbber Posted May 17, 2020 Share Posted May 17, 2020 9 minutes ago, marty_j said: The S@n ran with “Happy Monday “ I can’t believe Adele has lost that much weight, she looks fairly pumpable. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hk blues Posted May 17, 2020 Share Posted May 17, 2020 9 minutes ago, marty_j said: You are right But the point is we are getting plenty of criticism around world Hardly any by our own media Plenty of similar front pages that day - does not seem to be any analysis of the lies coming out of no 10 such as Hancock’s complete bullshit on shielding care homes. An utter lie reported as fact Dunno mate. -1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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