mizfit Posted December 12, 2020 Share Posted December 12, 2020 Yeah, if they get the Oxford/AZ boy approved before the end of the year it makes life a hell of a lot easier.The second it’s approved we’ll see mass vaccination programs across the UK. Hopefully it’s approved before Christmas and we can start pushing on straight after Christmas. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inanimate Carbon Rod Posted December 12, 2020 Share Posted December 12, 2020 27 minutes ago, mizfit said: The second it’s approved we’ll see mass vaccination programs across the UK. Hopefully it’s approved before Christmas and we can start pushing on straight after Christmas. Why start after christmas if its approved before. Christmas is just a friday, if approved and if we have any of the vaccine then it should be given immediately, 24/7 until either everyone is done or we run out. The idea of stopping for public holidays to pass before cracking on is mad. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H Wragg Posted December 12, 2020 Share Posted December 12, 2020 Why start after christmas if its approved before. Christmas is just a friday, if approved and if we have any of the vaccine then it should be given immediately, 24/7 until either everyone is done or we run out. The idea of stopping for public holidays to pass before cracking on is mad. You'll probably find most folk would be of a 'f**k that' disposition if given an appointment on Christmas Day.No public transport for starters, which I would imagine a lot of the early eligible ones might rely on to get to their immunisation point. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wee Bully Posted December 12, 2020 Share Posted December 12, 2020 It's possible for both the EIS and shrieking parents to both be wrong at the same time. In fact, it's a near racing certainty. Schools should be closed/punted to distance learning until there is no longer a public health pandemic in their local authority area that they contribute towards. If the weans need to catch up then the onus is on the local education authorities and teachers as public sector employees to ensure that they do by deferring work until later in 2021/22 instead. How they choose to do this precisely is not my concern.Always good to get your “hot take”. I love it when people in this thread say “literally no one is arguing that the schools should be closed”. And then we get clown shoes VT, doing just that. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vikingTON Posted December 12, 2020 Share Posted December 12, 2020 The only clown shoes figures in this discussion - donning red curly wigs and multi coloured face paint as they go - are those who think that a 'rona outbreak that led to six out of seven primary classes being temporarily suspended at a single Gourock primary school is preferable to the intolerable disruption of just punting them into blended/deferred learning based on local infection rates. Best of all is that the above factual case doesn't actually count as a full 'school closure' so is apparently a vindication of government policy. Austria, Czech Republic and Slovakia among numerous other European countries have closed public schools as part of their response to the second wave this autumn. It is a perfectly obvious and straightforward tool to use in pandemic control. That it might mean that you have to work Saturday mornings through 2021 is not the rest of society's problem. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted December 12, 2020 Share Posted December 12, 2020 45 minutes ago, mizfit said: The second it’s approved we’ll see mass vaccination programs across the UK. Hopefully it’s approved before Christmas and we can start pushing on straight after Christmas. By the sounds of it they haven't even got their UK production line up and running yet and they haven't finish testing, although that could be speedy with the US turning into a massive petri dish. I don't think vaccination is going to go anything like as fast as we were hoping for, and a hard brexit could slow it down even more. AFAIK no vaccines have being manufactured in the UK to the point of being ready for distribution at this time. Sorry to be gloomy, but I doubt it will really get moving till the Spring. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madwullie Posted December 12, 2020 Share Posted December 12, 2020 1 hour ago, DeeTillEhDeh said: Waitrose is it? Sainsburys in Hamilton today was absolutely mobbed. Saw one person without a mask. That's pretty typical here, obviously could well be different in other regions. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madwullie Posted December 12, 2020 Share Posted December 12, 2020 1 hour ago, Jedi said: Still, our own Scottish version has largely been based over the past 8 months on competing with Westminster, and being seen in the eyes of the public to be a step ahead of Big Bad Boris....(not difficult).(and its about those polling numbers again)...so if London appeared a bit more lax in their approach-we had to go further, (schools excepted) so much less likely for the SG to be describing the virus as 'just a cold' Populism isn't a homogeneous political strategy. Something tells me you don't think much of the snp. Might be wrong 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MP_MFC Posted December 12, 2020 Share Posted December 12, 2020 By the sounds of it they haven't even got their UK production line up and running yet and they haven't finish testing, although that could be speedy with the US turning into a massive petri dish. I don't think vaccination is going to go anything like as fast as we were hoping for, and a hard brexit could slow it down even more. AFAIK no vaccines have being manufactured in the UK to the point of being ready for distribution at this time. Sorry to be gloomy, but I doubt it will really get moving till the Spring.4 million ready to go in the UK.https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/world/2020/dec/08/oxford-astrazeneca-covid-vaccine-has-70-efficacy-full-trial-data-shows 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted December 12, 2020 Share Posted December 12, 2020 5 minutes ago, MP_MFC said: 4 million ready to go in the UK. https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/world/2020/dec/08/oxford-astrazeneca-covid-vaccine-has-70-efficacy-full-trial-data-shows That's reassuring, thought they were all still in Belgium. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inanimate Carbon Rod Posted December 12, 2020 Share Posted December 12, 2020 1 hour ago, H Wragg said: You'll probably find most folk would be of a 'f**k that' disposition if given an appointment on Christmas Day. No public transport for starters, which I would imagine a lot of the early eligible ones might rely on to get to their immunisation point. If people think christmas is more important than getting to the end of the pandemic then f**k them? Im sure all the care workers, nhs staff and emergency service personnel working on christmas day would quite happily take 30mins out their day and get a jag. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billy Jean King Posted December 12, 2020 Share Posted December 12, 2020 Polling numbers are what the Sturg lives for. When you are running a populist govt, with a single objective, its no surprise...Cultivate an easy grievance target (Westminster), smash any internal dissent, govern with a very small coterie gathered around the leader, show largese with some big 'giveaways' prescriptions, student fees etc. keep the Council tax frozen....and wait until you have over half the voting population onside....every populist playbook in history. Fair play to them its incredibly successful.....with all the internal polling done on a 5 day bender (public majority ticks yes, schools the last place to ever close even for 2 days-public majority-tick). Create further public distrust and anger at some public sectors (teachers), and keep the business community onside-low taxes, slash corporation tax, promise to cut public spending (Andrew Wilson Growth Commission Report).Council Tax frozen ffs it will be 4 years come April since that was binned. Landslide come May regardless. Your piss well and truly boiled. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billy Jean King Posted December 12, 2020 Share Posted December 12, 2020 The only clown shoes figures in this discussion - donning red curly wigs and multi coloured face paint as they go - are those who think that a 'rona outbreak that led to six out of seven primary classes being temporarily suspended at a single Gourock primary school is preferable to the intolerable disruption of just punting them into blended/deferred learning based on local infection rates. Best of all is that the above factual case doesn't actually count as a full 'school closure' so is apparently a vindication of government policy. Austria, Czech Republic and Slovakia among numerous other European countries have closed public schools as part of their response to the second wave this autumn. It is a perfectly obvious and straightforward tool to use in pandemic control. That it might mean that you have to work Saturday mornings through 2021 is not the rest of society's problem.Top, top analogy 24m in the 3 countries mentioned out of 741m in Europe. Clown shoes strikes again. 1 week to go here, cant wait to see the massive drop in the new infections over the 2/3 weeks the schools are shut. Will be massive according to the schools bad circle jerkers. Should be down to sub 500 by early January easily if true. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Honest_Man#1 Posted December 13, 2020 Share Posted December 13, 2020 3 minutes ago, Billy Jean King said: Top, top analogy 24m in the 3 countries mentioned out of 741m in Europe. Clown shoes strikes again. 1 week to go here, cant wait to see the massive drop in the new infections over the 2/3 weeks the schools are shut. Will be massive according to the schools bad circle jerkers. Should be down to sub 500 by early January easily if true. Obviously ignoring you going wildly over the top with exaggerated numbers, I think there would have been a potential drop if they’d done the 21st and 22nd online and not returned until a bit later in January. Oh and not had a ridiculous 5 days of Covid parties Christmas bonanza. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H Wragg Posted December 13, 2020 Share Posted December 13, 2020 If people think christmas is more important than getting to the end of the pandemic then f**k them? Im sure all the care workers, nhs staff and emergency service personnel working on christmas day would quite happily take 30mins out their day and get a jag. Jag all those working on Christmas Day nae bother.If you think members of the general public are going to accept an appointment on Christmas Day (see also Boxing Day and Ne'er Day) I think you're onto on plums. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Theroadlesstravelled Posted December 13, 2020 Share Posted December 13, 2020 The Oxford vaccine seems to be the least effective of the vaccines. It’s made in Britain though so the Brexiteers and Gammons will be lining up for it. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derry Alli Posted December 13, 2020 Share Posted December 13, 2020 What do we think the uptake on the Jag will be, percentage wise of the population? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted December 13, 2020 Share Posted December 13, 2020 7 minutes ago, Mr. Alli said: What do we think the uptake on the Jag will be, percentage wise of the population? More than the 70% they say is needed imo. Could take a while though. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
renton Posted December 13, 2020 Share Posted December 13, 2020 6 hours ago, Theroadlesstravelled said: The Oxford vaccine seems to be the least effective of the vaccines. It’s made in Britain though so the Brexiteers and Gammons will be lining up for it. It's also cheaper and easier to deploy. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bairnardo Posted December 13, 2020 Share Posted December 13, 2020 Cheaper by a considerable margin too. You could fire that into folk fortwo or threw years running before it matches the cost per dose of Pfizer or Moderna. It's also cheaper and easier to deploy. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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