Coronavirus (COVID-19)

[Todd_is_God]

16 minutes ago, D.A.F.C said:

Epidemiologist on five live saying she was disappointed that no mention was made of testing or track trace.
She said without it there is no way out of constant restrictions.
All eggs in one basket.

Why would we be wasting money on testing or track and trace once we have vaccinated enough people? Test and Trace has already cost £22b and has been such a roaring success...

No doubt people who had been vaccinated would go get a test if they caught a cold a few months down the line as well

[Caledonian1]

1 hour ago, Granny Danger said:

We’ve had clear and specific instructions that in Tier 4 we can’t send tradespeople into customers’ houses for non-emergency work.

ETA self-employed tradespeople can claim grant support, it’s reasonably generous though takes a while to receive.

Just to clarify - are you in England?  I am getting an extension built and anticipating the tradesmen turning up any minute now  (for clarity - in Scotland and thought they could work under Level 4 rules) Started work in October 19 and still a couple months work to do.....it's never ending.

[Granny Danger]

Just now, Caledonian1 said:

Just to clarify - are you in England?  I am getting an extension built and anticipating the tradesmen turning up any minute now  (for clarity - in Scotland and thought they could work under Level 4 rules) Started work in October 19 and still a couple months work to do.....it's never ending.

No these are the rules in Scotland.  Totally unequivocal.  I have no doubt many will ignore them and/or plead ignorance.

If they are working wholly outside your existing house and do not require access into it for any reason it might be different (emphasis is mine).

 

[D.A.F.C]

Why would we be wasting money on testing or track and trace once we have vaccinated enough people? Test and Trace has already cost £22b and has been such a roaring success...
No doubt people who had been vaccinated would go get a test if they caught a cold a few months down the line as well [emoji23]

Because there will still be centres of infection. With testing we can reduce that considerably.
Like whats happening in schools and has been proven in china.
You say waste of money but if we had a decent test and track trace system then we wouldn't be in lockdown.

[NotThePars]

Yesterdays news,  The British can fook off.....Not arrivals from the UK, but actual British people
https://www.bangkokpost.com/thailand/general/2044975/british-visitors-to-be-barred-from-entry

Dr Yong wrote on his Facebook page that Thais do not need to be alarmed but warned the authority must pay more attention to English visitors.

Ok, we're safe.

As much as I detest Gove and his like, this is probably the closest they've come to telling the truth. 
Scotland will go the same way. 

My da was saying one of his mates went to Thailand (sus reasons) and they had to isolate for 14 days in a Thai hotel for a following 30 day stay. Couldn’t be me!

[Todd_is_God]

7 minutes ago, D.A.F.C said:

Because there will still be centres of infection. With testing we can reduce that considerably.

Once we have vaccinated the most vulnerable, who cares?

Are people forgetting this isn't the first virus?

Covid-19 isn't that deadly. The risk comes from being in the "at risk" category. These people will be vaccinated and we'll be left with another endemic coronavirus that those who catch it will call "the cold"

7 minutes ago, D.A.F.C said:

You say waste of money but if we had a decent test and track trace system then we wouldn't be in lockdown.

So a waste of money then.

Edited January 5, 2021 by Todd_is_God

[madwullie]

36 minutes ago, D.A.F.C said:

Epidemiologist on five live saying she was disappointed that no mention was made of testing or track trace.
She said without it there is no way out of constant restrictions.
All eggs in one basket.

I've even seen a few (seemingly) respected virologists being concerned a out the gap between doses. 

Their argument is that if they were going to attempt to give a virus resistance to a vaccine, the way to do it would essentially be to give a weaker version of the disease, and let the virus work on it over a long-ish period of time. Their point is that by splitting the doses farther apart than they're meant to be, we might be doing this. 

I don't have nearly enough knowledge in the subject to tell if this should be a genuine concern, or if its the ravings of some borderline nutcases. 

Either way, I guess its worth mentioning. 

[madwullie]

22 minutes ago, Todd_is_God said:

Why would we be wasting money on testing or track and trace once we have vaccinated enough people? Test and Trace has already cost £22b and has been such a roaring success...

No doubt people who had been vaccinated would go get a test if they caught a cold a few months down the line as well

I think because even at 2 million a week, the models suggest that isn't enough to get ahead of the virus at the current level of spread. So it's important still to trace those that are able to spread it amongst the unvaccinated. 

Eidt: I didn't see it, but this seems to be what they're talking about. She does mention elimination though which won't go down well here. 

 

Edited January 5, 2021 by madwullie

[Todd_is_God]

Just now, madwullie said:

I think because even at 2 million a week, the models suggest that isn't enough to get ahead of the virus at the current level of spread. So it's important still to trace those that are able to spread it amongst the unvaccinated. 

Yes I get that. But that's not remotely the same as saying "without it there is no way out of constant restrictions."

Once we have vaccinated those in the at risk groups, it's not needed.

[madwullie]

1 minute ago, Todd_is_God said:

Yes I get that. But that's not remotely the same as saying "without it there is no way out of constant restrictions."

Once we have vaccinated those in the at risk groups, it's not needed.

I've added a link in my edit. It was doing that thing where it wouldn't embed the tweet  

Edit

I dot think there was any mention of no wya out of restrictions, just that T&T would still be good to have

Edited January 5, 2021 by madwullie

[D.A.F.C]

TTI doesn't work because sick pay and social securities are totally inadequate for people in low paid insecure work. This is the world people voted for for a decade. The leopard is sinking its teeth into people's faces.

That's not testing though that's shitty employers and political reasons.
The government could sort that easily and be cheaper than furlough.
They made everyone homeless secure overnight. It can be done.

[D.A.F.C]

Yes I get that. But that's not remotely the same as saying "without it there is no way out of constant restrictions."
Once we have vaccinated those in the at risk groups, it's not needed.

And if the vaccine doesn't work?

[Ron Aldo]

And if the vaccine doesn't work?

It does work though.

[D.A.F.C]

Wonder why they aren't then.

I dont disagree with you but testing works.
How is China out of lockdown with hardly any cases.
They tested 10 million people after 13 corona cases.
We are testing 13 people for 10 million cases.
[emoji38]
I'm sure china has amazing employment law right enough.

[SlipperyP]

3 minutes ago, NotThePars said:

My da was saying one of his mates went to Thailand (sus reasons) and they had to isolate for 14 days in a Thai hotel for a following 30 day stay. Couldn’t be me!

Yes, they have been letting people in for quite a while now, however, everyone must stay in a state quarantine (hotel) as you say for 14 days, no matter how long they are here in total.  Also having to have 3 negative test within those 14 days, or off to hospital you go (and your paying) even if have zero symptoms and are feeling fine... 

Most of the people arriving are businesspeople, folk with family, workers with work permits (these are the legal ones), most have been Thais being repatriated.  The numbers have been small, about 1000 a day (that's just a guess).  Also lot's and lot's of hoops to jump through just to get on the plane.

[D.A.F.C]

It does work though.

Against new strains?
Its 70% effective and should stop you becoming seriously ill. You can still spread the disease though.
It will eventually work and is the most effective way out long term but testing must be done alongside. Every single expert is saying this.

[Steven W]

Feels like it's gearing up for March 23rd 2021 to work out as an important (positive) date in all this

[D.A.F.C]

 Because in China they locked people in their houses and delivered food to them until they were free of the virus.

Not during the testing phase I was on about.

[Todd_is_God]

12 minutes ago, D.A.F.C said:

13 minutes ago, Todd_is_God said:

Yes I get that. But that's not remotely the same as saying "without it there is no way out of constant restrictions."
Once we have vaccinated those in the at risk groups, it's not needed.

And if the vaccine doesn't work?

5 days in and 2021 has a new "wait two weeks"

[D.A.F.C]

Your BCG Jag is 70% effective but nobody dies of TB anymore. Stop catastrophising. I know you get a buzz from being wrong/outnumbered but honestly just hing it up, it's not good for you.

So testing in China hasnt worked?
I dont agree with your strawman arguement. Rather than explaining why testing doesn't work youve got personal because you cant back up your arguement.