Coronavirus (COVID-19)

[dirty dingus]

2 minutes ago, Granny Danger said:

I reckon he’s changed his mind.

He's been getting pelter for spending a whole 8 mins on his national address last night, so this is his chance to not answer questions from client journalists and say Sir Kier is right behind his bungling. Maybe get the long overdue PCR tests before entry announcement.

[Granny Danger]

1 minute ago, Gordon EF said:

I'm not a Biologist or a Physician but here's my understanding from one Medicinal Chemistry course about 12 years ago. The immune system basically has two parts - search and destroy. I think the antibodies are the 'searchers'. They stay in your blood stream and identify different threats. When they find one, they basically send a signal to the immune system to send out cells to come and kill the virus. If you have no antibodies, your immune system can't find the threat to destroy it.

You may not be a biologist or physician but your post has shown a greater understanding than many of the self proclaimed experts on here.

[D.A.F.C]

The vaccines work. 
However, for TTI to be effective you need to be below a certain level of community prevelance otherwise it becomes impossible to trace an infection chain. 
Depending on the level of asymptomatic infections that becomes harder as well.
What we need is not TTI at this stage, but mass testing. No need to trace, just test everyone.
You would need to do it on a massive scale and on a short cadence. Once you have it below a certain level of community prevelance then TTI becomes a more useful tool again.

That's what I've been saying tbf.
Mass testing, like millions in a day works.
Look at Liverpool and the van drivers st Dover. I think the government knows it works but won't admit it doesn't want to pay for it.

[Sergeant Wilson]

13 minutes ago, Granny Danger said:

I reckon he’s changed his mind.

It'll be the bits he forgot.

[Sherrif John Bunnell]

1 hour ago, Aladdin said:

Given the position we are now in, with the numerous f**k ups and u-turns, surely a coronavirus banter year thread is warranted?

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Just now, Sherrif John Bunnell said:

I can read 2020 and 2021 and that's it. If that's the graphics they have no wonder the decision making is all over the place no one has any idea what they are agreeing to.

[Sherrif John Bunnell]

2 minutes ago, 101 said:

I can read 2020 and 2021 and that's it. If that's the graphics they have no wonder the decision making is all over the place no one has any idea what they are agreeing to.

Here's a link to the interactive banter timeline. Hopefully it's easier to read than the image I posted.

https://time.graphics/line/455000

[Thereisalight..]

49 minutes ago, EdinburghPar1975 said:

Didn't see Gove on Sky but why the chat about March now? Not a word about that said earlier on when he was interviewed (which maybe i missed).

Is ScotGovs approach to see where we are near the end of Jan as they were hoping to stop this new spread from fully kicking off? I always expected the kids to be at home till the Feb half term but i'd have expected a tier 4 approach after that for a while as opposed to full closures across the whole country.

Apart from schools being closed is there any difference between what we have now and Tier 4?

[GiGi]

1 minute ago, Sherrif John Bunnell said:

Here's a link to the interactive banter timeline. Hopefully it's easier to read than the image I posted.

https://time.graphics/line/455000

Nah f**k that, the illegible clusterfuck is the best representation for a covid banter years thread. We can just enjoy the graph as it increasinly resembles a fruit salad seen through a broken kaleidoscope.

[SlipperyP]

19 minutes ago, Sergeant Wilson said:

It'll be the bits he forgot.

What, he's going to say it all again?

[Distant Doonhamer]

Johnson is like Trump, wants the job but doesn’t want to do the job.  That said Johnson is not as psychotic as Trump.

Yep as previously stated he’s always wanted to be PM and he wants to have been PM. It’s just the bit in the middle he’s not keen on.

[effeffsee_the2nd]

Apart from schools being closed is there any difference between what we have now and Tier 4?

You can only meet one person outside rather than 6
Everything shut - same
No travel- same
Pro sport still on - same
Stay at home as much as possible, with all the usual exceptions including exercise with no limits on the amount of time or number of times spent outdoors in aday - exactly the fucking same!
Bubbles- same
Weddings and funeral- same
Hospital and care visits - same

Recall parliament = look at us wur daein something so we are

[doulikefish]

Just now, SlipperyP said:

What, he's going to say it all again?

He is rolling out the science bit with the cmo of england

You would like to think the first question would be "on sunday you said schools were 100% safe" " what changed in less than 24 hrs"

But laura will probably ask about captain tom 

[ICTChris]

I was just reading something on Twitter about some of the people named in the above diagram.  Sunetra Gupta was on the Today programme this morning.  While people like Allison Pearson are very annoying and have monetised lying during the pandemic, people who are supposedly experts or who are credentialled get invited onto presitigious platforms.  Gupta has been wrong about everything she's said during the pandemic, spectacularly so.  This is much more dangerous than Dave from Facebook who thinks that Bill Gates is microchipping his mum.  Renegade experts can get the ear of hte government - Gupta had an audience with Boris Johnson and Rishi Sunak a few months ago - and that can lead to devastatingly bad policy. 

The classic of this genre is Peter Duesberg, a cancer specialist, who has argued, against all the evidence that HIV does not cause AIDS.  Despite being rejected by every sane expert, the AIDS denialist movement has used Duesberg's credentials (he is a cited researcher into the genetics of cancer) to boost themsevels.  Thabo Mbeki appointed him to his advisory committee, during the debastating period where the South African leadership pushed back on anti-retroviral drugs and followed policies which some studies estimate caused 300,000 additional deaths.

[Szamo's_Ammo]

3 minutes ago, ICTChris said:

Renegade experts

D4 damager, power to the people

[Gaz]

Backwards again

[Big Fifer]

16 minutes ago, ICTChris said:

I was just reading something on Twitter about some of the people named in the above diagram.  Sunetra Gupta was on the Today programme this morning.  While people like Allison Pearson are very annoying and have monetised lying during the pandemic, people who are supposedly experts or who are credentialled get invited onto presitigious platforms.  Gupta has been wrong about everything she's said during the pandemic, spectacularly so.  This is much more dangerous than Dave from Facebook who thinks that Bill Gates is microchipping his mum.  Renegade experts can get the ear of hte government - Gupta had an audience with Boris Johnson and Rishi Sunak a few months ago - and that can lead to devastatingly bad policy. 

The classic of this genre is Peter Duesberg, a cancer specialist, who has argued, against all the evidence that HIV does not cause AIDS.  Despite being rejected by every sane expert, the AIDS denialist movement has used Duesberg's credentials (he is a cited researcher into the genetics of cancer) to boost themsevels.  Thabo Mbeki appointed him to his advisory committee, during the debastating period where the South African leadership pushed back on anti-retroviral drugs and followed policies which some studies estimate caused 300,000 additional deaths.

The problem with this sort of thing is, when "consensus" is so important in a field like medicine, you're always gonna get some zoomers desperate for the limelight. If 999 people agree on x but 1 person doesn't, the 1 person typically will get a bit more stage time. Those in general agreement don't, it's a complete continuation of the past 5/6 years of "don't trust the experts". 

Edited January 5, 2021 by Big Fifer

[DeeTillEhDeh]

I dont disagree with you but testing works.
How is China out of lockdown with hardly any cases.
They tested 10 million people after 13 corona cases.
We are testing 13 people for 10 million cases.
[emoji38]
I'm sure china has amazing employment law right enough.

Welding people into their houses might have helped.

[coprolite]

17 minutes ago, MixuFruit said:

Can sort of sympathise with this but I mean *gestures to every neoclassical economist* it's more than just the odd person causing problems.

Most economists i've seen commenting favour more extreme lockdowns because they see the pandemic itself as suppressing demand more than the restrictions. Richard Murphy is only a few posts up for example. 

The issue is that the talking head economists on the news tend to be the city analyst types, who are basically tea leaf reading Charlatans with a very narrow view of "good for the economy". 

[ICTChris]

8 minutes ago, Big Fifer said:

The problem with this sort of thing is, when "consensus" is so important in a field like medicine, you're always gonna get some zoomers desperate for the limelight. if 999 people agree on x but 1 person doesn't, the 1 person typically will get a bit more stage time. Those in general agreement don't, it's a complete continuation of the past 5/6 years of "don't trust the experts". 

One of the difficulties of this is that many of the experts got the pandemic completely wrong.