superbigal Posted January 5, 2021 Share Posted January 5, 2021 How we stand in Europe currently as the UK. 551.6 Cases per 100K over 7 days. https://www.statista.com/statistics/1139048/coronavirus-case-rates-in-the-past-7-days-in-europe-by-country/ Last Scotland released figures from the Public Health Stat boffins were to 31st December when they went off on holidays amid the crisis. They were at 159.1 per 100K up to that day. Should get updated figures later this afternoon to se how we stand against UK. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Todd_is_God Posted January 5, 2021 Share Posted January 5, 2021 39 minutes ago, Thereisalight.. said: Apart from schools being closed is there any difference between what we have now and Tier 4? Those on the shielding list, previously advised only to go to work if their workplace was covid secure, are now advised not to go to work under any circumstances. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Granny Danger Posted January 5, 2021 Share Posted January 5, 2021 4 minutes ago, coprolite said: Most economists i've seen commenting favour more extreme lockdowns because they see the pandemic itself as suppressing demand more than the restrictions. Richard Murphy is only a few posts up for example. The issue is that the talking head economists on the news tend to be the city analyst types, who are basically tea leaf reading Charlatans with a very narrow view of "good for the economy". Long termism v short termism is a pretty standard approach to economic thinking. The Charlatans you mention will only be interested in potential short term gain. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeeTillEhDeh Posted January 5, 2021 Share Posted January 5, 2021 11 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted January 5, 2021 Share Posted January 5, 2021 5 minutes ago, superbigal said: How we stand in Europe currently as the UK. 551.6 Cases per 100K over 7 days. https://www.statista.com/statistics/1139048/coronavirus-case-rates-in-the-past-7-days-in-europe-by-country/ Last Scotland released figures from the Public Health Stat boffins were to 31st December when they went off on holidays amid the crisis. They were at 159.1 per 100K up to that day. Should get updated figures later this afternoon to se how we stand against UK. What time do they usually come out? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D.A.F.C Posted January 5, 2021 Share Posted January 5, 2021 I was just reading something on Twitter about some of the people named in the above diagram. Sunetra Gupta was on the Today programme this morning. While people like Allison Pearson are very annoying and have monetised lying during the pandemic, people who are supposedly experts or who are credentialled get invited onto presitigious platforms. Gupta has been wrong about everything she's said during the pandemic, spectacularly so. This is much more dangerous than Dave from Facebook who thinks that Bill Gates is microchipping his mum. Renegade experts can get the ear of hte government - Gupta had an audience with Boris Johnson and Rishi Sunak a few months ago - and that can lead to devastatingly bad policy. The classic of this genre is Peter Duesberg, a cancer specialist, who has argued, against all the evidence that HIV does not cause AIDS. Despite being rejected by every sane expert, the AIDS denialist movement has used Duesberg's credentials (he is a cited researcher into the genetics of cancer) to boost themsevels. Thabo Mbeki appointed him to his advisory committee, during the debastating period where the South African leadership pushed back on anti-retroviral drugs and followed policies which some studies estimate caused 300,000 additional deaths.Just looked them up as well. This is like inviting climate change deniers onto a TV show and letting them input their opinions as well though out.As said there must be a financial reason for them backing this pish. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coprolite Posted January 5, 2021 Share Posted January 5, 2021 3 minutes ago, MixuFruit said: I quoted Murphy as an outsider critic of orthodox economists, very much the latter type you described I don't think the latter type is representative of the orthodoxy though. Most of these will have a degree from the 80s or 90s and use models that were in vogue then. My perception is that Richard Murphy has fairly standard views in line with most academic or up to date economists. It is hard to say though because there's probably less consensus about anything than there is in the natural sciences. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RiffRaff Posted January 5, 2021 Share Posted January 5, 2021 Lockdown 2, choose working from home and eating your own weight in biscuits, choose Zoom quizzes, choose drinking too much as tomorrow will not be a “School Day”, choose going on meaningless walks, choose bingeing on Netflix, choose watching football on dodgy streams, choose shouting “p***k” at the television any time Boris Johnson appears on it, choose FaceBook Mums’ becoming Epidemiologists, choose empty shelves in Asda, choose Teams Meetings whilst sitting in your PJs, choose your car never going above 30MPH, choose your bins going out more than you, choose planning holidays that you’ll never get to go on, choose your clothes mysteriously shrinking, choose coming downstairs to find that the furniture has been rearranged, again, choose being on first name terms with the Amazon Delivery Driver, Lockdown 2 choose No Life 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon EF Posted January 5, 2021 Share Posted January 5, 2021 30 minutes ago, Big Fifer said: The problem with this sort of thing is, when "consensus" is so important in a field like medicine, you're always gonna get some zoomers desperate for the limelight. If 999 people agree on x but 1 person doesn't, the 1 person typically will get a bit more stage time. Those in general agreement don't, it's a complete continuation of the past 5/6 years of "don't trust the experts". Basically people should be smart enough to be sceptical about what one expert says, but also be smart enough to trust hundreds or thousands of them telling you the same thing. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coprolite Posted January 5, 2021 Share Posted January 5, 2021 1 minute ago, MixuFruit said: In terms of influence I don't think this squares with Sunak introducing the Barrington declaration lot to Johnson. If MMT etc was the orthodoxy, every time someone likened a country's finances to those of a household, the headlines would all be about how idiotic that person was, and how they'd been forced to retire from public life. Absolutely agree, but economics in the media and as used as a veneer of respectability by tories is very much not the consensus of the discipline. Up until very recently the media gave the impression that AGW was a controversial theory. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peasy23 Posted January 5, 2021 Share Posted January 5, 2021 Is it likely at any point that we might follow other countries and actually scrutinise and test people arriving from abroad? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ICTChris Posted January 5, 2021 Author Share Posted January 5, 2021 (edited) Caprice > experts Lockdowns don't work, masks don't work, border closures don't work. I know I've posted this before but it's quite amazing. One thing that is interesting is that Jeremy Vine is clearly uneasy at anyone contradicting Dr Jarvis and says he doesn't want to have one person saying one thing and the expert on the other side, giving them equal weight. If you fast forward about three months people would be saying this to shut off people saying what Sarah Jarvis was saying in this clip! Edited January 5, 2021 by ICTChris 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tamthebam Posted January 5, 2021 Share Posted January 5, 2021 3 hours ago, MixuFruit said: How do you hibernate On a Covid related theme, bats are one of the few mammals that hibernate... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacksgranda Posted January 5, 2021 Share Posted January 5, 2021 The window cleaner was out this morning and cleaned the windows. Hardly essential, I would have thought, although my wife would maybe disagree. (She doesn't, actually.) 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NotThePars Posted January 5, 2021 Share Posted January 5, 2021 Seeing they’ve shut the schools and some people starting the concern about kids having access to the internet then smiling serenely about the BBC’s reaction to an attempt to preemptively solve a problem like this 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael W Posted January 5, 2021 Share Posted January 5, 2021 11 minutes ago, Jacksgranda said: The window cleaner was out this morning and cleaned the windows. Hardly essential, I would have thought, although my wife would maybe disagree. (She doesn't, actually.) That's fine - nice bit of glass in the way to prevent contact. It's when he comes to the door wanting you to pay that he's breaching the rules. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacksgranda Posted January 5, 2021 Share Posted January 5, 2021 5 minutes ago, Michael W said: That's fine - nice bit of glass in the way to prevent contact. It's when he comes to the door wanting you to pay that he's breaching the rules. I shouted through the letter box to him to f*** off and come back in 5 weeks time... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greendot Posted January 5, 2021 Share Posted January 5, 2021 Sturgeon has verged on her chick young impression a couple of times today in her address. Standing now which is here............heh heh heh 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billy Jean King Posted January 5, 2021 Share Posted January 5, 2021 Is it likely at any point that we might follow other countries and actually scrutinise and test people arriving from abroad? Announcement imminent apparently on this. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peasy23 Posted January 5, 2021 Share Posted January 5, 2021 Announcement imminent apparently on this.Only 9 months too late... 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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