Todd_is_God Posted January 7, 2021 Share Posted January 7, 2021 8 minutes ago, D.A.F.C said: Do you wanna get sucked in, Alan? Do you wanna get sucked in? Cause I'll suck you in so far you'll come out the other end. Is this the world you want, nightclub owners getting garrotted, ammonia in the boat? And take that look off your gormless face! No, then. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Detournement Posted January 7, 2021 Share Posted January 7, 2021 1 minute ago, 101 said: Strict border control was possible, desirable and would have been effective. It lacked political will in England you just have to look at the skiers to know the upper classes can't hack a lockdown and slumming it in their mansions. Even now requiring all travelers to go to the airport hotels for 2 weeks and being released after testing negative would go a long way to drive cases down whilst allowing essential travel round the globe. Rather than the pop up and down "travel corridors" Frequent flyers are the wealthiest and most powerful people in society. The entire media and political class are frequent flyers so ending air travel was never going to gain any traction. We saw the reaction on here when the topic of holidays was raised. Some people were more upset about not getting a fortnight in Spain/Portugal/Florida/Mexico than they were about not seeing family and friends for months on end. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
8MileBU Posted January 7, 2021 Share Posted January 7, 2021 (edited) 15 minutes ago, Detournement said: China, South Korea, Vietnam etc got rid of the vaccine by 99% of people staying inside for a couple of weeks then strictly policing their borders. Neither of those things are possible in the UK/West. They absolutely were possible. We just have a bunch of gutless, gormless morons in charge who bottled making those calls. The same morons who have enabled a nation rife with clowns to do as they please during a pandemic. The same morons who have underfunded and left us short of the numbers and powers required to efficiently police the clowns and control our borders. Edited January 7, 2021 by 8MileBU 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D.A.F.C Posted January 7, 2021 Share Posted January 7, 2021 I’ve noticed you do this quite a few times now. Unable to respond to a post with anything worthwhile on the topic at hand, you quote a random film and ignore the points/question.I've done this one, just now.Whereas you like to troll people constantly while contributing nothing then winding them up and enjoying it on another thread.Now you got called out youre just projecting that onto me.In this instance I said testing works. Backed it up with facts about China. People then made stuff up and challenged me in an aggressive manner so I've given it the flippant response it deserves.Now quote this and take it to heads gone thread where you and you other sad sack pals can have a circle jerk over how superior you are. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted January 7, 2021 Share Posted January 7, 2021 4 minutes ago, Honest_Man#1 said: I’ve noticed you do this quite a few times now. Unable to respond to a post with anything worthwhile on the topic at hand, you quote a random film and ignore the points/question. Appropriate response to the line "Is that the game you want to play?" imo 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Detournement Posted January 7, 2021 Share Posted January 7, 2021 Just now, 8MileBU said: They absolutely were possible. Shutting down personal travel was obviously practically possible but politically impossible. A proper Chinese style lockdown was probably practically impossible. The infrastructure isn't there to support people staying inside. We saw what happened in the supermarkets with panic buying (which almost certainly spiked the infection rate as well). Now we are stuck with a kid on lockdown where 95% of the country go to the shops multiple times a week. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genuine Hibs Fan Posted January 7, 2021 Share Posted January 7, 2021 That's my grandad tested positive while in the hospital for another infection. No covid symptoms as yet but not optimistic he makes it given his age (81) and other conditions 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Detournement Posted January 7, 2021 Share Posted January 7, 2021 Just now, Genuine Hibs Fan said: That's my grandad tested positive while in the hospital for another infection. No covid symptoms as yet but not optimistic he makes it given his age (81) and other conditions Sorry to hear that. Hopefully he pulls through. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genuine Hibs Fan Posted January 7, 2021 Share Posted January 7, 2021 1 minute ago, Detournement said: Sorry to hear that. Hopefully he pulls through. Appreciated mate, cheers 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
101 Posted January 7, 2021 Share Posted January 7, 2021 5 minutes ago, Detournement said: Frequent flyers are the wealthiest and most powerful people in society. The entire media and political class are frequent flyers so ending air travel was never going to gain any traction. We saw the reaction on here when the topic of holidays was raised. Some people were more upset about not getting a fortnight in Spain/Portugal/Florida/Mexico than they were about not seeing family and friends for months on end. Yes but it would be daft to try and stop them but mandatory quarantine policed properly protects everyone from the frequent flyers. People were understandably upset about losing holidays but had there been a clear plan about driving infection down here and allowing normality to return as has happened in China and NZ and Australia then I think people would have been more understanding. But the whole thing comes back to having a Prime Minister of England who is running certain and very specific bits of Scotland including the cash cow which makes everything difficult and muddies the water. In short we have to be independent by the next pandemic. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
8MileBU Posted January 7, 2021 Share Posted January 7, 2021 (edited) 11 minutes ago, Detournement said: Shutting down personal travel was obviously practically possible but politically impossible. A proper Chinese style lockdown was probably practically impossible. The infrastructure isn't there to support people staying inside. We saw what happened in the supermarkets with panic buying (which almost certainly spiked the infection rate as well). Now we are stuck with a kid on lockdown where 95% of the country go to the shops multiple times a week. It wasn’t politically impossible though. The decisions needed to be tough. They could have made them though, but they simply didn’t. What infrastructure do China have that supports staying indoors more than Britain? If anything it was probably harder for China given their massive population and vastly populated cities and towns where in many instances thousands of people stay in huge apartment blocks practically living on top of each other. Edited January 7, 2021 by 8MileBU 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D.A.F.C Posted January 7, 2021 Share Posted January 7, 2021 That's my grandad tested positive while in the hospital for another infection. No covid symptoms as yet but not optimistic he makes it given his age (81) and other conditions Hope hes ok. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DiegoDiego Posted January 7, 2021 Share Posted January 7, 2021 Aye but my son is a fucking loose cannon. He would probably try and hoover his cock or smash his sisterAye, the apple doesn't fall far from the tree. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Detournement Posted January 7, 2021 Share Posted January 7, 2021 1 minute ago, 8MileBU said: It wasn’t politically impossible though. The decisions needed to be tough, they could have made it though, but they simply didn’t. What infrastructure do China have that supports staying indoors more than Britain? If anything it was probably harder for China given their massive population and vastly populated cities and towns where in many instances thousands of people stay in huge apartment blocks practically living on top of each other. Quote When Wuhan residents recognized that quarantine would be lengthy and government resources would be stretched, they turned to each other for help. They utilized an existing social construct, the xiao qu (小区) group, which literally translates to “small district.” A xiao qu is an official designation from the city grouping together all the homes in a given area. Typically, a xiao qu captain (a volunteer or someone appointed by the property management) invites all residents into one WeChat group, which can range from 50 to 500 people in size. Wuhan has at least 7,106 xiao qu groups among its 11.08 million residents, many of which existed before the coronavirus took hold. https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/triciawang/a-lesson-from-the-people-of-wuhan-community-hyper-local The Buzzfeed article obviously omits that the captains are CCP members but gives a good description of how an organised party with 90 million members can organise a lockdown. There is nothing comparable in the UK. We can't even deliver a vaccine. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Distant Doonhamer Posted January 7, 2021 Share Posted January 7, 2021 16 minutes ago, Genuine Hibs Fan said: That's my grandad tested positive while in the hospital for another infection. No covid symptoms as yet but not optimistic he makes it given his age (81) and other conditions Sorry to hear that. Easy for me to say, and obviously you are rightly concerned, but this in no way automatically means a bad outcome. Anyway hope he makes a full recovery, 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elric Posted January 7, 2021 Share Posted January 7, 2021 33 minutes ago, 8MileBU said: They absolutely were possible. We just have a bunch of gutless, gormless morons in charge who bottled making those calls. The same morons who have enabled a nation rife with clowns to do as they please during a pandemic. The same morons who have underfunded and left us short of the numbers and powers required to efficiently police the clowns and control our borders. Engage, Explain, Encourage, Enforce – applying the four ‘E’s Policing will adopt a four-phase approach This is guidance to help officers put the four ‘E’sinto practice – it’s a suggested approach.The four ‘E’s are based on evidence that people are more likely to comply after a police encounter if they feel they have been treated fairly, have received an explanation, and have been given the opportunity to give their view. This idea of procedural justice to support police legitimacy has been quite well tested and fits with the policing by consent model – it’s founded on building public cooperation. Engage – officers speak to people and try to establish their awareness and understanding of the situation. They may ask people about their circumstances if they are out in public. Officers give people the opportunity to express their views. They listen and take people’s responses into account. Explain – officers try to educate people about any personal risks they are taking, they will explain the social distancing regulations and highlight the responsibilities we all share. Officers treat people with dignity and respect. They highlight their trustworthy motives by explaining wider social factors, such as the risks to public health and the NHS by not sticking to social distancing. Encourage – officers may need to guide individuals, suggesting they return home. Officers can encourage people to act reasonably, emphasising that staying alert and safe (social distancing) saves lives. They demonstrate consistency in their approach and are willing to explain why they are requesting a certain course of action.If an officer has been explicit in their request for someone to take action, has explained the risk and encouraged people to be reasonable to save lives and they have refused, then it may become necessary to: Enforce– officers may, as a last resort, remove a person to the place where they live, using reasonable force only if it is a necessary and proportionate means of ensuring compliance. They may also fine individual(s) for breach of the Regulation Any evidence that this has worked limiting the numbers breaching the regulations? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacksgranda Posted January 7, 2021 Share Posted January 7, 2021 33 minutes ago, Genuine Hibs Fan said: That's my grandad tested positive while in the hospital for another infection. No covid symptoms as yet but not optimistic he makes it given his age (81) and other conditions That's bad news 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
strichener Posted January 7, 2021 Share Posted January 7, 2021 20 minutes ago, Detournement said: https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/triciawang/a-lesson-from-the-people-of-wuhan-community-hyper-local The Buzzfeed article obviously omits that the captains are CCP members but gives a good description of how an organised party with 90 million members can organise a lockdown. There is nothing comparable in the UK. We can't even deliver a vaccine. Quote When Wuhan residents recognized that quarantine would be lengthy and government resources would be stretched, they turned to each other for help. They utilized an existing social construct, the xiao qu (小区) group, which literally translates to “small district.” A xiao qu is an official designation from the city grouping together all the homes in a given area. Typically, a xiao qu captain (a volunteer or someone appointed by the property management) invites all residents into one WeChat group, which can range from 50 to 500 people in size. Wuhan has at least 7,106 xiao qu groups among its 11.08 million residents, many of which existed before the coronavirus took hold. Even if there are 7106 groups of 500 people, this leaves more than 2/3rd of the population outside of xiao qu groups in Wuhan. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tamthebam Posted January 7, 2021 Share Posted January 7, 2021 13 hours ago, Lyle Lanley said: Where does everyone think we will be in 6 months time? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted January 7, 2021 Share Posted January 7, 2021 2 minutes ago, tamthebam said: More repeats of shite remakes then. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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