Coronavirus (COVID-19)

[Dons_1988]

8 hours ago, Carnoustie Young Guvnor said:

I am panicked, I don't know if you've noticed the hundred thousand people that have died in the last ten months.  The appropriate response to that is panic.

Anyway, I posted an article, maybe your couple of years of dodging classes compares to his decades of work in the field, perhaps I am being unreasonable.

I can't think of many situations where panic is the appropriate response. Natural response maybe, but never the optimal.

[Billy Jean King]

When can we expect the route map for X people vaccinated, Y & Z can then open again? 

That will not be the measure. In will be deaths and hospitalizations falling to X will mean Y and Z can re-open.

[Billy Jean King]

Waiting to see if this Brazil variant is here, if so it's going to be a LONG time before and restrictions are lifted.

And in the very next announcement England announced it's delaying introducing compulsory negative tests for international arrivals, you couldn't make it up. It's thankfully to start as scheduled albeit months too late in Scotland.

[Steven W]

1 minute ago, Billy Jean King said:

9 hours ago, Big Fifer said:

When can we expect the route map for X people vaccinated, Y & Z can then open again? 

That will not be the measure. In will be deaths and hospitalizations falling to X will mean Y and Z can re-open.

Perhaps. But bottom line, loosely speaking, there will presumably be a formula of sorts which should lead to things opening up again (Granted at this particular time, I can see the logic in the SG keeping it 'under-wraps', but presumably its being discussed behind the scenes?

[Sherrif John Bunnell]

This Tory Z-lister was on the news earlier saying they have had to delay the introduction of the negative test requirement so international arrivals have enough enough time to become familiar with the new rules.

 

That's not a luxury they seem to give any other sector when new rules are brought in.

 

[ICTChris]

Japan has the lowest rate of infection among any G7 nation, with no lockdowns and now we know why.

[Billy Jean King]

This Tory Z-lister was on the news earlier saying they have had to delay the introduction of the negative test requirement so international arrivals have enough enough time to become familiar with the new rules.
 
That's not a luxury they seem to give any other sector when new rules are brought in.
 

The epitome of their response throughout. Delay and dither.

[mizfit]

This Tory Z-lister was on the news earlier saying they have had to delay the introduction of the negative test requirement so international arrivals have enough enough time to become familiar with the new rules.
 
That's not a luxury they seem to give any other sector when new rules are brought in.
 

Hmmm I wonder what airline ceo has offered a party donation.

[101]

12 hours ago, Carnoustie Young Guvnor said:

That's not back to normal though is it?  If its always going to be out there life could never return to how it was in 2019, you'd always have to be wary.  Social distance for the rest of your life, how could you have crowds returning to football?  Who would go if you might catch your death?  And the economic damage would be off the charts.

Of course life will never return to what it was like in 2019. Football crowds will of course return if it was a place bad for transmission of a virus like this it would also be a hot bed for flu, it's not.

What do you mean who would go if you might catch your death? Lots of people have sadly died in football stadia, usually because of a crush it doesn't put people off in the same way people make hundreds of risk based decisions every day. 

As for social distancing for life, there is no chance! It would be illegal to have sex with someone you don't live with so either your population falls off a cliff or inbreeding rockets. Not a problem in Fife but the rest of you might not be so pleased.

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[Caledonian1]

27 minutes ago, ICTChris said:

Japan has the lowest rate of infection among any G7 nation, with no lockdowns and now we know why.

I just find it amusing that this in a town called f**k You OK (although they spell it a wee bit differently)

May have been funnier if it was FUKU UK

[Bairnardo]

CYG absolutely lobs every fake news story that crosses his path about on Facebook doesnt he.

[TheScarf]

Good grief, the last 10 pages or so.  For those of a squeamish nature, never, under any circumstances, venture into Pep's playground, the Misc Other Football sub-forum.  

[Carnoustie Young Guvnor]

9 minutes ago, Bairnardo said:

CYG absolutely lobs every fake news story that crosses his path about on Facebook doesnt he.

Again, why did you post on this thread?  I don't see you make any comment whatsoever about Covid, just about me. So why did you come on here to do that?  

 

I actually have a post about Covid, so that's why I'm here, cause I'm an adult and this is a forum

I would imagine this is why we are refusing to put any restrictions on people coming from Brazil. As our government are still pursuing this ridiculous idea of herd immunity. Their own modelling showed around 260 thousand people would have to die to achieve whatever herd immunity was possible btw. And they decided to go with that. 

Every time something like this happens and people ask what is going on do they actually want us to die, the answer is yes they do, they said it right at the start, have never retracted it and still pursue this policy to this day.

[Carnoustie Young Guvnor]

4 minutes ago, TheScarf said:

Good grief, the last 10 pages or so.  For those of a squeamish nature, never, under any circumstances, venture into Pep's playground, the Misc Other Football sub-forum.  

Again do you have a post actually about Covid?  Do you think stuff like this makes the thread a better read?  

[TheScarf]

1 minute ago, Carnoustie Young Guvnor said:

Again do you have a post actually about Covid?  Do you think stuff like this makes the thread a better read?  

If you go back to this time yesterday, before you flooded the thread with absolute fucking shite, you'll see I did post about it, and the requirement for pathways/routemaps.

[Carnoustie Young Guvnor]

1 minute ago, TheScarf said:

If you go back to this time yesterday, before you flooded the thread with absolute fucking shite, you'll see I did post about it, and the requirement for pathways/routemaps.

But today decided just to attack me, with nothing about Covid.  You literally came onto this thread not to discuss Covid at all, just to have a go at me. How old are you?  Do you have children?

[coprolite]

6 minutes ago, Carnoustie Young Guvnor said:

Again, why did you post on this thread?  I don't see you make any comment whatsoever about Covid, just about me. So why did you come on here to do that?  

 

I actually have a post about Covid, so that's why I'm here, cause I'm an adult and this is a forum

I would imagine this is why we are refusing to put any restrictions on people coming from Brazil. As our government are still pursuing this ridiculous idea of herd immunity. Their own modelling showed around 260 thousand people would have to die to achieve whatever herd immunity was possible btw. And they decided to go with that. 

Every time something like this happens and people ask what is going on do they actually want us to die, the answer is yes they do, they said it right at the start, have never retracted it and still pursue this policy to this day.

Heard immunity is a very sensible goal. 
 

The problem can be with how it’s achieved.
 

If it’s from letting the virus go unchecked then people will die needlessly. 
 

If it’s from vaccinations then I can’t see that herd immunity is a problem.

 

[Carnoustie Young Guvnor]

1 minute ago, coprolite said:

Heard immunity is a very sensible goal. 
 

The problem can be with how it’s achieved.
 

If it’s from letting the virus go unchecked then people will die needlessly. 
 

If it’s from vaccinations then I can’t see that herd immunity is a problem.

 

Well no, everyone is after herd immunity essentially.  But we decided to do it by allowing it to pass through the population, knowing that is projected to cause around a quarter of a million deaths.  It seems we're about halfway there.

NZ and other places tried to suppress it (Scotland did too but London decided that wasn't feasible) and will pursue that with vaccinations.

See when I said why don't people go to Downing St and fuckin kill these b*****ds cause they're killing us, I wasn't really joking. They are killing us by our thousands every day. If people actually knew there would be an uprising.

[coprolite]

2 minutes ago, Carnoustie Young Guvnor said:

Well no, everyone is after herd immunity essentially.  But we decided to do it by allowing it to pass through the population, knowing that is projected to cause around a quarter of a million deaths.  It seems we're about halfway there.

NZ and other places tried to suppress it (Scotland did too but London decided that wasn't feasible) and will pursue that with vaccinations.

See when I said why don't people go to Downing St and fuckin kill these b*****ds cause they're killing us, I wasn't really joking. They are killing us by our thousands every day. If people actually knew there would be an uprising.

Seems counterproductive to keep shutting everything if that’s the strategy. 
 

I’ll look out for your revolution on the news. God speed.

[Carnoustie Young Guvnor]

2 minutes ago, coprolite said:

Seems counterproductive to keep shutting everything if that’s the strategy. 
 

I’ll look out for your revolution on the news. God speed.

They were very open about this, its so it comes in waves to stop the NHS being overwhelmed. If you just let it go all at once you would have societal breakdown and economic meltdown and the NHS would collapse. 

So the plan is to mitigate each time and manage it to stop the NHS being overwhelmed, but let it pass through the population in a managed fashion. That was the choice they made, mitigation over suppression. Scotgov chose suppression but its hand have been tied being attached to and governed by a country with ten times our population that was pursuing mitigation.