Coronavirus (COVID-19)

[Ron Aldo]

Preprint paper suggests the ‘Kent variant’ has a higher mortality rate.
https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.02.09.21250937v3
 
 

I thought it was already established that it was up to 30% more deadly or something like that?

Regardless, we know the vaccines can kick it's wee Kent c**t in so I'm not really bothered by this.

[Todd_is_God]

3 minutes ago, Ron Aldo said:

We know the vaccines can kick it's wee Kent c**t in so I'm not really bothered by this.

This

[ICTChris]

Just now, Ron Aldo said:

I thought it was already established that it was up to 30% more deadly or something like that?

Regardless, we know the vaccines can kick it's wee Kent c**t in so I'm not really bothered by this.

I think there is pretty good evidence already that the Kent variant was more transmissable but not that it was more deadly.  Obviously this paper isn't peer reviewed yet so might be contradicted.

As you say the variant doesn't appear to be vaccin resistant, which is very good news.

[falkirktheinvincible]

32 minutes ago, Hedgecutter said:

"Oh aye, they'll all be on their computers, or iPhones or whatever they have these days, saying how they know best and that like. Well, unfortunately for them, I'm the chief, and I've got the Twitter too, ken"

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[Cyclizine]

6 minutes ago, MP_MFC said:

Without knowing enough to go into any great detail, is it not likely that deaths will be higher from it purely cause it hit in the peak time of year for deaths by respiratory illnesses regardless?

No. Because then the cause of death wouldn't be Covid.

4 minutes ago, madwullie said:

Is it that the strain (pre-print conscious) is more lethal, or the fact that it is more transmissible leads to more deaths? 

I tried reading it but it's just words I do recognise all joined together in a senseless fashion. 

It's a retrospective cohort study. They have attempted to match each novel variant case with similar non-variant cases (age, gender, co-morbidities, etc). It  says you have about a 60% higher chance of dying if you have the Kent variant. It can't tell us why this is the case because of the study design.

3 minutes ago, Ron Aldo said:

Regardless, we know the vaccines can kick it's wee Kent c**t in so I'm not really bothered by this.

Yeah, the data was collected between October and January and followed up into last month. It could still be the case that the Kent variant has higher mortality, but as long as the vaccine is effective in reducing total mortality, it is likely not clinically relevant.

[ayrmad]

We'll surely find out in 4 or 5 weeks time how much impact 1st and 2nd vaccines have on transmission rates, hospital/ICU admissions and deaths after the weekends inadvertent wee case study opportunity. 

Might be worth a few extra weeks just to see what answers it throws up. 

[s_dog]

14 hours ago, Todd_is_God said:

All of this would be a good point if we didn't have a number of very effective vaccines. But we do.

Oxford Covid vaccine creator Professor Sarah Gilbert calls for caution as pupils return to school
https://inews.co.uk/news/science/covid-schools-reopening-oxford-vaccine-sarah-gilbert-pandemic-902495

She's far from the only person talking about the need for some caution, but no doubt someone will come along and lump her in with the experts that don't have a clue.

[Todd_is_God]

4 minutes ago, Cyclizine said:

The data was collected between October and January and followed up into last month. It could still be the case that the Kent variant has higher mortality, but as long as the vaccine is effective in reducing total mortality, it is likely not clinically relevant.

Based on this CFR we'd be looking at 4,000 deaths per 1m cases next winter, a figure which I imagine fits well within the "similar risk level as flu" chat.

With a highly vaccinated population by then, I don't think we'd get anywhere near 1m cases either, even with no restrictions whatsoever.

Hopefully this is used to encourage vaccine uptake rather than delay any easing of restrictions.

[TheScarf]

Today's briefing should be good.

[Todd_is_God]

2 minutes ago, s_dog said:

Oxford Covid vaccine creator Professor Sarah Gilbert calls for caution as pupils return to school
https://inews.co.uk/news/science/covid-schools-reopening-oxford-vaccine-sarah-gilbert-pandemic-902495

She's far from the only person talking about the need for some caution, but no doubt someone will come along and lump her in with the experts that don't have a clue.

Despite the sense of there being light at the end of the tunnel, she says there should be no return to the old normal. New hygiene measures can have a wider impact she insists and would like to see the public continue with mask wearing on public transport

“Every year we have influenza outbreaks and people in hospital with flu, and we have other respiratory tract infections,” she says. “We could reduce the impact of flu quite a lot.”

 

Into the bin she goes. Another zealot.

[101]

1 minute ago, TheScarf said:

Today's briefing should be good.

Another yellow card for football?

[TheScarf]

Just now, 101 said:

Another yellow card for football?

I think for us getting back into the ground yes, not for the matches themselves.

[s_dog]

1 minute ago, Todd_is_God said:

Despite the sense of there being light at the end of the tunnel, she says there should be no return to the old normal. New hygiene measures can have a wider impact she insists and would like to see the public continue with mask wearing on public transport

“Every year we have influenza outbreaks and people in hospital with flu, and we have other respiratory tract infections,” she says. “We could reduce the impact of flu quite a lot.”

 

Into the bin she goes. Another zealot.

That was even quicker than I thought 

[ayrmad]

Have now heard of two deaths of persons having had their 1st jag, not quite 100% against the vaccine. 

[Bairnardo]

We'll surely find out in 4 or 5 weeks time how much impact 1st and 2nd vaccines have on transmission rates, hospital/ICU admissions and deaths after the weekends inadvertent wee case study opportunity. 
Might be worth a few extra weeks just to see what answers it throws up. 

Have now heard of two deaths of persons having had their 1st jag, not quite 100% against the vaccine. 

I'd have left the first one up a bit longer before going with the second. Youd have got some attention sooner or later.

[madwullie]

7 minutes ago, s_dog said:

Oxford Covid vaccine creator Professor Sarah Gilbert calls for caution as pupils return to school
https://inews.co.uk/news/science/covid-schools-reopening-oxford-vaccine-sarah-gilbert-pandemic-902495

She's far from the only person talking about the need for some caution, but no doubt someone will come along and lump her in with the experts that don't have a clue.

What is her degree in??? 

[Sherrif John Bunnell]

Hopefully she gets torn into Sevco, their mutant fans and the Keystone Cops, it's not like she's going to lose many votes from any of them.

However, no doubt she'll put on her stern face and blame "football" instead.

[Todd_is_God]

3 minutes ago, TheScarf said:

I think for us getting back into the ground yes, not for the matches themselves.

Football crowds should be allowed the same time as any other sizeable outdoor public gatherings.

The idea that they should be treated as a special case / put on a naughty step is nonsense.

[Mark Connolly]

1 minute ago, madwullie said:

What is her degree in??? 

She doesn't have one, Professor-Sarah is a double barrelled name

[D.V.T.]

With the Rangers celebrations it is galling the lack of condemnation from fans, or the club for the George Square celebrations. Yet also the number of people shouting “SECOND SPIKE”, “WE’LL BE IN LOCKDOWN FOREVER” when there was no second spike from the Liverpool or Leeds celebrations last year too is arguably even more irritating.