ICTChris Posted March 25, 2020 Author Share Posted March 25, 2020 7 minutes ago, pozbaird said: I keep reading comments along the lines of ‘we’re about two to three weeks behind Italy’, the inference being that in two to three weeks time we will be seeing about 600 or so deaths per’ day, same as them. Can someone tell me why the UK, or indeed any nation, in about three weeks time, necessarily has to be in the same spot that Italy are in? Seems to me there are shitloads of variables and nothing is certain in any of this. There are obviously variables in every country - different healthcare systems, different ways of treating the population, different patterns of the virus spreading. Factors for the Italian disaster that i've seen that seem plausible (not necessarily true) is that more people there are smokers, that they have a more elderly population, that they have more intergenerational households (assymptomatic young 'uns give the virus to grandparents), that they responded poorly and allowed the virus to circulate untracked in Northern Italy for weeks, that the outbreak there is heavily geographically concentrated leading to a more overwhelming response from healthcare. These might all be factors but equally they might not. We might get it worse than Italy, maybe we won't. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thereisalight.. Posted March 25, 2020 Share Posted March 25, 2020 7 minutes ago, pozbaird said: I keep reading comments along the lines of ‘we’re about two to three weeks behind Italy’, the inference being that in two to three weeks time we will be seeing about 600 or so deaths per’ day, same as them. Can someone tell me why the UK, or indeed any nation, in about three weeks time, necessarily has to be in the same spot that Italy are in? Seems to me there are shitloads of variables and nothing is certain in any of this. I keep wondering that too. Why “2 weeks” behind them? Surely it didn’t take 2 weeks to spread from there to here 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DA Baracus Posted March 25, 2020 Share Posted March 25, 2020 2 hours ago, Bairnardo said: Yeah I know have read about that. It affected Mrs B first and I thought I had got away with it as the rest of my symptoms were calming down. The fucker better come back or I am taking bodies. I dont know who, but I am. The 18/19 Falkirk squad? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ICTChris Posted March 25, 2020 Author Share Posted March 25, 2020 I also just saw someone claim that Italy has a particularly bad strain of bacterial pneumonia that is present in Italy. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Florentine_Pogen Posted March 25, 2020 Share Posted March 25, 2020 My window cleaners fall into the category of essential workers, apparently. Of course they’re fūcking essential. You’ll never see those gigantic tarantulas trying to invade your hoose if your windaes are clarty.......... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alta-pete Posted March 25, 2020 Share Posted March 25, 2020 8 minutes ago, pozbaird said: I keep reading comments along the lines of ‘we’re about two to three weeks behind Italy’, the inference being that in two to three weeks time we will be seeing about 600 or so deaths per’ day, same as them. Can someone tell me why the UK, or indeed any nation, in about three weeks time, necessarily has to be in the same spot that Italy are in? Seems to me there are shitloads of variables and nothing is certain in any of this. I think it’s just that as fact. We are 2 or 3 weeks behind when the first case was confirmed and once all the variables come into play we work out whether we’re doing better or worse than other countries when we get to the equivalent stage. The only fixed measure available is the time. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ICTJohnboy Posted March 25, 2020 Share Posted March 25, 2020 45 minutes ago, KnightswoodBear said: My window cleaners fall into the category of essential workers, apparently. That's probably a reflection on the the state of your windows. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Melanius Mullarkey Posted March 25, 2020 Share Posted March 25, 2020 2 hours ago, Theroadlesstravelled said: Chap in London makes £2m by selling the kits for £375. 3 times the normal price. https://www.independent.co.uk/news/health/coronavirus-test-kit-private-harley-street-clinic-randox-mark-ali-a9422966.html If the NHS is paying £120 each then forget about everyone getting tested. “Entrepreneurial spirit” #torycunts 1 hour ago, G_Man1985 said: 1 hour ago, Jack Burton said: Asda in Cumbernauld are only letting so many in at a time, was a queue to get in. Only letting one in when another shopper had left. Yup we are looking to do same. Some stores I believe are doing this already. The one I'm in his second biggest in Scotland Ah the SevcoTesco. Where is the CelticTesco? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Todd_is_God Posted March 25, 2020 Share Posted March 25, 2020 25 minutes ago, The Moonster said: They have said we may need to apply to the furlough scheme if the closure is extended, which means we should get 80% of our wages from that point on. Perhaps I'm misunderstanding how the 80% thing works, but surely if my work closed for that second week, the company have the choice to apply to to the government for 80% of the wages and then pay us the additional 20% out of the apparent healthy bank balance the company has? I.e. there is no actual need for us to use holidays here? As an employee you don't need to apply to anything. You will receive pay (80% or above) as normal, and the employer claims it back. Whilst it is true that to 'guarantee' 100% pay annual leave would be necessary, forcing employees to take holidays would also mean the employer responsible for 100% of that wage. It makes no financial sense for an employer to do that, unless they were planning on fiddling the system to be responsible for only 20% of your paid holiday entitlement that week, which would be cunty 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
superbigal Posted March 25, 2020 Share Posted March 25, 2020 (edited) Very unprofessional of me but i'm going to copy and paste an email I just got from one of my Italian customers. NB These guys are very close to Turin in the North We are all ok. Unfortunately the disease started here in Italy first, and we’re living very a difficult moment. Do not underestimate this virus, because the situation here is very serious, and not only for elderly people. All our cities are impacted, the numbers are probably much bigger than the official ones… I heard and read about UK’s (Boris) point of view… and I really hope you change idea and approach quickly. UK must strongly fight against it, as has always done in the history with all the problems. Don’t let it go, because then you cannot stop it! Please do not exit from home and take all the possible precautions when you have to… it is the only way at the moment to reduce its impact… As company we all work remotely since one month. We did invest in the past in the Smart Working approach and we have now benefit from that. Unfortunately the installations and the business, at European level, is stucked, but we’re all working in increasing our services and do what we didn’t had time to do while we were all busy. Our developers are fully operative and working even more than usual, so we’ll be in a very good shape when this story will be over. I hope we’ll exchange some positive message in a short while. In the meantime, please take care of yourself and your families! Edited March 25, 2020 by superbigal 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ayrmad Posted March 25, 2020 Share Posted March 25, 2020 17 minutes ago, true_rover said: Pretty much 2 weeks behind Italy based on when we reached 400 confirmed cases - based on that we're growing slightly slower than they are (and considerably slower than Spain at the same point). Those would suggest that from tomorrow the figures will start to increase a bit sharper. It's hard to make comparisons, we're not exactly testing loads of folk, I just follow the death numbers at the moment, that gives me an idea where we are. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pozbaird Posted March 25, 2020 Share Posted March 25, 2020 Also, the Lombardy region of Italy appears worse hit than other Italian regions, so there must be tons of variables at play in each region. Seems clear that London and New York are worse that most other places in their respective countries. That’s easy to get your head around, due to the highly concentrated populations, the underground systems, a ton of factors. The phrase ‘two weeks behind Italy’ though. It gets aired so many times, and definitely in the context of ‘start shitting yourselves, what happened there is coming here’. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Todd_is_God Posted March 25, 2020 Share Posted March 25, 2020 3 minutes ago, ICTChris said: I also just saw someone claim that Italy has a particularly bad strain of bacterial pneumonia that is present in Italy. This could be true tbf. Everyone who tests positive for Covid-19 and subsequently dies is added to deaths caused by the disease. The pneumonia could in theory have been caused by something else, attacking whilst the body is fighting the coronavirus. The similar figures seen in Spain, however, make that scenario look unlikely. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heedthebaa Posted March 25, 2020 Share Posted March 25, 2020 5 minutes ago, Savage Henry said: It’s not an inevitable course, though. I sincerely hope that’s the case. Its what’s they’re prepping for though and they won’t be far wrong. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UpInTheAyr Posted March 25, 2020 Share Posted March 25, 2020 Sainsburys have got the boxed lines on the floor you have to follow and disinfectant at the door to wipe down the baskets and trolleys. A massive coincidence, my local Aldi shut down a few weeks ago for three months for renovations. I'm sure the Sainsbury beside it were delighted for all the extra business 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JasonElgin Posted March 25, 2020 Share Posted March 25, 2020 I still have to go to work. They think overpriced shortbread is essential food for the world. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pozbaird Posted March 25, 2020 Share Posted March 25, 2020 The social distancing thing is a doddle. I went out wearing one of these yesterday and no cnut wanted to be anywhere near me. 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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The Moonster Posted March 25, 2020 Share Posted March 25, 2020 9 minutes ago, Todd_is_God said: As an employee you don't need to apply to anything. You will receive pay (80% or above) as normal, and the employer claims it back. Whilst it is true that to 'guarantee' 100% pay annual leave would be necessary, forcing employees to take holidays would also mean the employer responsible for 100% of that wage. It makes no financial sense for an employer to do that, unless they were planning on fiddling the system to be responsible for only 20% of your paid holiday entitlement that week, which would be cunty I thought that perhaps holiday pay was in some way subsidised, but if it makes no financial sense for them to do that, it is purely just taking our holidays off us so we can't use them later when they expect to be busier. I'm extremely disappointed tbh, I've worked here for 14 years and the company have always prided themselves on employee happiness and well being (because the pay is utter shite) and this just feels like a huge shift in mentality. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ayrmad Posted March 25, 2020 Share Posted March 25, 2020 6 minutes ago, pozbaird said: The social distancing thing is a doddle. I went out wearing one of these yesterday and no cnut wanted to be anywhere near me. OK then, just go bloody golfing. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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