Romeo Posted April 20, 2020 Share Posted April 20, 2020 27 minutes ago, Coventry Saint said: I wonder if the administration points deduction rules will be relaxed around this. Sevco are literally banking on this being the case. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Falcor Roar Posted April 20, 2020 Share Posted April 20, 2020 34 minutes ago, Coventry Saint said: I wonder if the administration points deduction rules will be relaxed around this. Or, if they do that, will every club just dive into administration? Or... Will so many clubs go into admin and take the deduction that everyone's basically starting on the same points anyway? Even with the prize money, a lot of clubs are going to be in a perilous state here. Hearts to be demoted, activate relegation release clauses on all playing staff and coast along on supporters direct debits while Scottish football's provincial clubs squeak out of existence one after another. Turns out the auld bag was a genius all along... Those 2nd place finishes behind Celtic in a 2 team reconstructed league. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DA Baracus Posted April 20, 2020 Share Posted April 20, 2020 46 minutes ago, Coventry Saint said: I wonder if the administration points deduction rules will be relaxed around this. Or, if they do that, will every club just dive into administration? Or... Will so many clubs go into admin and take the deduction that everyone's basically starting on the same points anyway? Even with the prize money, a lot of clubs are going to be in a perilous state here. 21 minutes ago, gannonball said: I would hope not. If rules were relaxed I could see many using it as opportunity to wipe out debts that they shouldn’t have racked up and will use the corona virus as an excuse to pay it off for a relative pittance. Would only encourage clubs to do so and wouldn't be a good look for the Scottish game. Administration isn't just some easy process where clubs can get rid of their debts. Many clubs wouldn't come out of administration if they went in to it. They'd die. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rainbowrising Posted April 20, 2020 Share Posted April 20, 2020 49 minutes ago, virginton said: IIRC (from news articles not personal experience obviously) they stopped researching a SARS vaccine soon after its much smaller epidemic came to an end as there was no commercial viability in the project, which is hardly going to be the case with this one right now. The overall point however should stand that no sane society should be waiting around indefinitely on a vaccine before resuming normal life and any public health official or politician who thinks so would likely face significant social disobedience and disorder. The original SARS to all intents died out. It was pointed out by a professor in an interview the other night. Also, SARS was based in Asia and never really spread from there. It would be Interesting to see how we would treat the economy and lock downs if somerhing like MERS kicked off. The death rate is 35% of known cases and it is still around. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stag Nation Posted April 20, 2020 Share Posted April 20, 2020 1 hour ago, DA Baracus said: Yes, SPL2. It was a terrible, dreadful idea that luckily went nowhere. It was first talked about circa 2006 I think: http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/scot_div_1/5369244.stm There was chat off and on a few years after: https://www.theguardian.com/sport/blog/2009/feb/27/ewan-murray-spl2-scottish-football-league Then there was a lot of chat about it when Rangers died as they tried to get it going with Sevco being parachuted directly in to it. This article has some pretty offensive and sickening views: https://www.theguardian.com/football/2012/jul/13/rangers-scottish-third-division There's been no need to produce a vaccine for any coronavirus before COVID-19. Plus it would be a costly waste of time, which is why no one has done it. They are producing a vaccine for this one though, because there is a need to do so. And they will produce one. I wouldn't be so confident. Some of the best brains on the planet (and $squillions of investment) have been trying to produce a vaccine for HIV for almost 40 years, without success. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DA Baracus Posted April 20, 2020 Share Posted April 20, 2020 (edited) 1 minute ago, Stag Nation said: I wouldn't be so confident. Some of the best brains on the planet (and $squillions of investment) have been trying to produce a vaccine for HIV for almost 40 years, without success. HIV and COVID-19 are totally different things. What a ludicrous argument. Vaccines are produced regularly, yet because there isn't one for a very complicated virus we shouldn't be confident of one being produced for COVID-19? Mental logic, absolutely mental. By that logic we shouldn't expect a vaccine for anything ever again. Edited April 20, 2020 by DA Baracus 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stag Nation Posted April 20, 2020 Share Posted April 20, 2020 1 minute ago, DA Baracus said: HIV and COVID-19 are totally different things. What a ludicrous argument. Sorry, I hadn't realised you were a virologist. Can you explain the difference? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paranoid android Posted April 20, 2020 Share Posted April 20, 2020 59 minutes ago, Coventry Saint said: I wonder if the administration points deduction rules will be relaxed around this. Surely. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rainbowrising Posted April 20, 2020 Share Posted April 20, 2020 1 minute ago, DA Baracus said: HIV and COVID-19 are totally different things. What a ludicrous argument. What has been developed is a range of drugs that have contained HIV and some evidence that certain treatments might switch it off (getting out of my depth here on medical virology science!) 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DA Baracus Posted April 20, 2020 Share Posted April 20, 2020 1 minute ago, Stag Nation said: Sorry, I hadn't realised you were a virologist. Can you explain the difference? Not in depth, no, because I'm not a virologist. You however seem to be, so perhaps you can explain this? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
parsforlife Posted April 20, 2020 Share Posted April 20, 2020 3 minutes ago, rainbowrising said: What has been developed is a range of drugs that have contained HIV and some evidence that certain treatments might switch it off (getting out of my depth here on medical virology science!) Aye, we’re at a point where HIV is pretty much of no concern to those with access to modern medicine. When we have drugs you can take that will give you a normal life expectancy and others that means you can’t spread it I’m not sure a vaccine seems that urgent. Vaccine seems abit more likely here, but I think it’s odd that a good treatment program seems to be largely ignored as a route out of this. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamieThomas Posted April 20, 2020 Share Posted April 20, 2020 9 minutes ago, paranoid android said: Surely. Rules were rules when it came to lobbing cash at teams before the vote, so I'm afraid it's minus points for every team that goes into admin. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DA Baracus Posted April 20, 2020 Share Posted April 20, 2020 Scientists say a vaccine will be available within a year, perhaps a bit longer. But they are confident it will happen. There's also a hugely concerted effort between various countries on this. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DA Baracus Posted April 20, 2020 Share Posted April 20, 2020 Why do some people think administration is some easy process that will handily clear debts and clubs will be fine after it? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sergeant Wilson Posted April 20, 2020 Share Posted April 20, 2020 21 minutes ago, Stag Nation said: I wouldn't be so confident. Some of the best brains on the planet (and $squillions of investment) have been trying to produce a vaccine for HIV for almost 40 years, without success. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paranoid android Posted April 20, 2020 Share Posted April 20, 2020 4 minutes ago, JamieThomas said: Rules were rules when it came to lobbing cash at teams before the vote, so I'm afraid it's minus points for every team that goes into admin. Fair enough. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rainbowrising Posted April 20, 2020 Share Posted April 20, 2020 6 minutes ago, parsforlife said: Aye, we’re at a point where HIV is pretty much of no concern to those with access to modern medicine. When we have drugs you can take that will give you a normal life expectancy and others that means you can’t spread it I’m not sure a vaccine seems that urgent. Vaccine seems abit more likely here, but I think it’s odd that a good treatment program seems to be largely ignored as a route out of this. I think one of the major issues with C19 is that it becomes a very serious pneumonic condition that rapidly infests the lungs. In extreme cases (resulting in death as the end point) I dont think we have a range of drugs that can counter it. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
parsforlife Posted April 20, 2020 Share Posted April 20, 2020 1 minute ago, rainbowrising said: I think one of the major issues with C19 is that it becomes a very serious pneumonic condition that rapidly infests the lungs. In extreme cases (resulting in death as the end point) I dont think we have a range of drugs that can counter it. Of course we don’t, currently. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zing. Posted April 20, 2020 Share Posted April 20, 2020 (edited) Livi getting in on the statement action with their own reconstruction proposal. https://livingstonfc.co.uk/league-reconstruction-statement/ I reckon this will be what is put forward eventually (or pretty close to it) and I’d be happy enough with that. 16 team league would be my ideal scenario but it’s got no chance. Edited April 20, 2020 by Zing. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ian38018 Posted April 20, 2020 Share Posted April 20, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, virginton said: IIRC (from news articles not personal experience obviously) they stopped researching a SARS vaccine soon after its much smaller epidemic came to an end as there was no commercial viability in the project, which is hardly going to be the case with this one right now. I clearly hope you are correct, but this class of viruses just don't act like any other we have encountered before (and created vaccines against). Edited April 20, 2020 by Ian38018 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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