DiegoDiego Posted April 26 Share Posted April 26 I don't think it's the most ludicrous conspiracy theory that governments support and encourage dissenters in enemy states. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tamthebam Posted April 26 Share Posted April 26 7 hours ago, DiegoDiego said: I don't think it's the most ludicrous conspiracy theory that governments support and encourage dissenters in enemy states. I'm bringing down the UK public sector from the inside but so far North Korea have been late with the payments... 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
highlandmac Posted April 27 Share Posted April 27 11 hours ago, DiegoDiego said: I don't think it's the most ludicrous conspiracy theory that governments support and encourage dissenters in enemy states. It's also not ludicrous that people just oppose their politicians supporting genocide 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stanton Posted April 27 Share Posted April 27 (edited) The Avril Lavigne conspiracy theory returns https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/blogs-trending-39921209 There’s a new podcast available on BBC Sounds and other platforms by Joanne McNally about this I’ve tried to post a link but I won’t let me Edited April 27 by stanton 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cappiecat1.2 Posted April 27 Share Posted April 27 20 minutes ago, stanton said: The Avril Lavigne conspiracy theory returns https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/blogs-trending-39921209 That bbc article is from May 2017. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stanton Posted April 27 Share Posted April 27 30 minutes ago, Cappiecat1.2 said: That bbc article is from May 2017. Aye, but the podcast is just out, there’s a few other links to the original theory 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swarley Posted April 27 Share Posted April 27 5 hours ago, tamthebam said: I'm bringing down the UK public sector from the inside but so far North Korea have been late with the payments... @KimJohnUn 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fullerene Posted April 27 Share Posted April 27 6 hours ago, tamthebam said: I'm bringing down the UK public sector from the inside but so far North Korea have been late with the payments... Not a problem. The UK has a reciprocity agreement with North Korea. Just go along to the MI5 building in London and explain your case and they will pay you on behalf of North Korea. It is all so quick and easy. Don't forget to bring timesheets. They absolutely insist on those. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DiegoDiego Posted April 27 Share Posted April 27 4 hours ago, highlandmac said: It's also not ludicrous that people just oppose their politicians supporting genocide Both can be true. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buchan30 Posted April 27 Share Posted April 27 5 hours ago, stanton said: The Avril Lavigne conspiracy theory returns https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/blogs-trending-39921209 There’s a new podcast available on BBC Sounds and other platforms by Joanne McNally about this I’ve tried to post a link but I won’t let me My question would be, why was she allowed to carry on? She was relatively successful as a singer, but you could argue that people like Kurt Cobain and Amy Winehouse died without a “double” replacing them. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BFTD Posted April 27 Share Posted April 27 3 hours ago, buchan30 said: My question would be, why was she allowed to carry on? She was relatively successful as a singer, but you could argue that people like Kurt Cobain and Amy Winehouse died without a “double” replacing them. Cobain would've required the rest of the band to go along with it, like the Beatles, and Courtney Love is hardly a reliable accomplice. Winehouse was such an infamous mess that the press probably knew she'd died before the medics arrived. Lavigne was probably murdered because she was about to tell everyone what she knew about the Moon Landings. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freedom Farter Posted April 27 Share Posted April 27 On 26/04/2024 at 16:57, DiegoDiego said: I don't think it's the most ludicrous conspiracy theory that governments support and encourage dissenters in enemy states. Sure, I certainly agree on that but I don't think in this specific case the suggestions are credible. The Hamas, Hezbollah and Houthis suggestion can be very easily dismissed. These groups don't have English language media output and even their Arabic media efforts are limited. With Russia, they achieved their greatest penetration in eastern Ukraine among Russian speakers. Kremlin narratives flooded the airwaves there right up until 2022. Russia's anglosphere penetration has had some success. You've likely seen this before: "Gaddafi was toppled by Nato because he was on the verge of rolling out a pan-African currency to challenge dollar hegemony on the continent". That was a fabrication by the Russian outlet Sputnik and I remember seeing it linked to once (the actual Sputnik original) by an opinion column in the Guardian. Russia's attempts at influencing 2016 US election voters was extensive. It especially targeted Black people, probably owing to racist Russian perceptions about who would be most susceptible. The aim was to suppress Black votes and it didn't seem to work. White voters in mid-Western swing states were instead who lost it for Clinton. Something consistent to the Russian attempts at influencing US voters is they look to target folk from lower economic and less educated backgrounds. So-called "low information" voters. These current US demonstrations are being manned by students and professors at elite universities. They're the highest of "high information" voters, therefore the opposite to the demographics Russia has targeted in the past. If we're to believe Nancy Pelosi, Russia are spunking a load of money trying to influence folk who its the hardest to influence. Seems unlikely. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted May 4 Share Posted May 4 George Monbiot argues that fictional conspiracies divert us from the real ones, a bit like how the US Airforce encouraged talk of UFO sightings around Area 51 to cover their testing of new military technology (my analogy, don't blame George) https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2024/may/04/youre-going-to-call-me-a-holocaust-denier-now-are-you-george-monbiot-comes-face-to-face-with-his-local-conspiracy-theorist 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tamthebam Posted May 4 Share Posted May 4 11 hours ago, welshbairn said: George Monbiot argues that fictional conspiracies divert us from the real ones, a bit like how the US Airforce encouraged talk of UFO sightings around Area 51 to cover their testing of new military technology (my analogy, don't blame George) https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2024/may/04/youre-going-to-call-me-a-holocaust-denier-now-are-you-george-monbiot-comes-face-to-face-with-his-local-conspiracy-theorist Does that mean all those Bonnybridge UFO sightings were to deflect from the fact Falkirk were shite? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lofarl Posted May 12 Share Posted May 12 9/11 wasn't the Saudis. It was the Dutch! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GordonS Posted May 12 Share Posted May 12 On 26/04/2024 at 16:57, DiegoDiego said: I don't think it's the most ludicrous conspiracy theory that governments support and encourage dissenters in enemy states. This is one of the major sources of conspiracy theories. Because we know a government or organisation has done a type of thing in the past, we guess that they're involved in anything of its type for ever more. One example is the assumption that the CIA was involved in the Euromaidan protests because they've regularly supported movements like that in the past, but people who would know have said they had nothing to do with it. Most commonly that kind of conspiracy theory is just an attempt to smear opponents. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ICTChris Posted May 12 Share Posted May 12 I have one. Johann Hari has some sort of stash of secret info on all major publishing and journalism executives, that means he keeps on getting published. The man has been found to have committed multiple acts of plagiarism and very poor use of evidence in his books, yet he keeps on getting massive deals. He’s been lying about Jay Rayner in his latest 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ICTChris Posted May 17 Share Posted May 17 The guy who attacked Nancy Pelosi’s husband with a hammer got 30 years in prison. He seems to have been a QAnon guy. I recall at the time many people hoofing out conspiracies that he was having gay sex with Pelosi’s husband. https://apnews.com/article/paul-pelosi-nancy-hammer-attack-depape-sentence-b41b6c776fb27f62913e3754afa1ceac 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BFTD Posted May 18 Share Posted May 18 9 hours ago, ICTChris said: The guy who attacked Nancy Pelosi’s husband with a hammer got 30 years in prison. He seems to have been a QAnon guy. I recall at the time many people hoofing out conspiracies that he was having gay sex with Pelosi’s husband. https://apnews.com/article/paul-pelosi-nancy-hammer-attack-depape-sentence-b41b6c776fb27f62913e3754afa1ceac They've probably banged him up for so long to keep him quiet, is what the moonhowlers will say. He'll probably die in jail in twenty-odd years' time and that'll be evidence that he was offed by the Democrat Pizzagate mafia, or some such. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sergeant Wilson Posted May 18 Share Posted May 18 11 hours ago, ICTChris said: The guy who attacked Nancy Pelosi’s husband with a hammer got 30 years in. I recall at the time many people hoofing out conspiracies that he was having gay sex with Pelosi’s husband. Not sure I fancy that, each to their own though. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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