Guest TheJTS98 Posted March 14, 2021 Share Posted March 14, 2021 (edited) Hard to argue with this. The new format is going to provide something pointlessly easy for the big clubs, clearly open to corruption, and hard to sell as worth watching. It's amazing to me that those running these big clubs don't seem to understand that sport thrives on jeopardy and scarcity. This format removes both. https://www.theguardian.com/football/2021/mar/13/new-look-champions-league-pointless-waste-of-time-agnelli-swiss-system Edited March 14, 2021 by TheJTS98 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
craigkillie Posted March 14, 2021 Share Posted March 14, 2021 Sneering at Club Brugge v Krasnodar is not a good luck for a man obstensibly claiming to fight the good fight for the smaller clubs. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest TheJTS98 Posted March 15, 2021 Share Posted March 15, 2021 (edited) 15 hours ago, craigkillie said: Sneering at Club Brugge v Krasnodar is not a good luck for a man obstensibly claiming to fight the good fight for the smaller clubs. I don't think he's 'sneering' at them. I think he's pointing out that since there's no jeopardy for the big clubs, there's a good chance the most meaningful fixtures in this format will be between clubs completely marginalised by modern European football to such a great extent that nobody will care and that this lack of interest is exacerbated by the knowledge that they're only competing to be cannon fodder for a little longer anyway. It has no selling point to anyone who isn't excited purely by the presence of big names. And he's right in that there's almost certainly no audience for Krasnodar v Bruges in that situation. Europe's football fans/casual tv viewers don't care. That's the point he's making. Do you disagree with that? You'd have to know very little about the writer's career and work to think he's being dismissive of the involvement of these clubs in European fitba. Being realistic about something not having mass appeal when discussing a made-for-tv product that plans to rake in money based on media rights does not equate to 'sneering'. The writer of this article has consistently written and spoken about the unfairness of the income distribution and seeding and access to tournaments in European football and has written extensively (books and articles) about low-profile leagues and clubs in Europe and beyond. He started writing in a Sunderland fanzine and went on to create and edits a football magazine that has run features about the lack of diversity in the Champions League, featured Polish non-league football, commented on the ins and outs of Israeli league football, written about Gretna, criticised the downgrading of the Europa League, lamented the passing of Dinamo Tblisi and Steaua Bucharest as European forces and the general ability of Eastern Europe to compete, decried the protection big clubs get in UEFA competitions, covered the Russian lower leagues, and a load of other non-big club issues. He is probably one of the few working football writers in the UK who could give you an informed opinion on a club like Krasnodar without needing time to look them up. But you reckon his choice of fixture to illustrate a point is 'not a good look', so I must have him wrong, eh? Edited March 15, 2021 by TheJTS98 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Connolly Posted March 16, 2021 Share Posted March 16, 2021 Well that's the City game done. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bairnardo Posted March 16, 2021 Share Posted March 16, 2021 Well that's the City game done.Yeah I switched over to Real Madrid as soon as that went in. Cant see me lasting long at this one either tbh. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peasy23 Posted March 16, 2021 Share Posted March 16, 2021 Yeah I switched over to Real Madrid as soon as that went in. Cant see me lasting long at this one either tbh. Especially not now that Atalanta have gifted them a goal. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Brightside Posted March 16, 2021 Share Posted March 16, 2021 I cannot believe the ref blew for half time in the Real - Atalanta game when he did, absolute nonsense. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Connolly Posted March 16, 2021 Share Posted March 16, 2021 2 minutes ago, Mr. Brightside said: I cannot believe the ref blew for half time in the Real - Atalanta game when he did, absolute nonsense. I'm absolutely raging at agreeing with Michael Owen as a result of this shit 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Brightside Posted March 16, 2021 Share Posted March 16, 2021 An incredible amount of self-sabotage in this tie from Atalanta, against a fairly shite Real Madrid team. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oneteaminglasgow Posted March 16, 2021 Share Posted March 16, 2021 Did McManaman just claim you couldn't see Bayern Munich beating Man City? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HalfCutNinja Posted March 16, 2021 Share Posted March 16, 2021 19 minutes ago, oneteaminglasgow said: Did McManaman just claim you couldn't see Bayern Munich beating Man City? He did. Robbie Savage also said Man City are the team they'll all want to avoid. Aye apart from the actual European Champions like. Man City are quality and them along with PSG and Bayern are on a different level to anyone else. But its classic English exceptionalism to just dismiss the other two cause an English team are good. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RandomGuy. Posted March 16, 2021 Share Posted March 16, 2021 26 minutes ago, oneteaminglasgow said: Did McManaman just claim you couldn't see Bayern Munich beating Man City? How could anyone ever beat an in-form EPL side? Its impossible. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DMCs Posted March 16, 2021 Share Posted March 16, 2021 27 minutes ago, oneteaminglasgow said: Did McManaman just claim you couldn't see Bayern Munich beating Man City? The state of him at the Liverpool v Leipzig game was annoying as well. Supposedly Leipzig "just aren't good enough for the English sides" despite beating an English side to a knockout CL spot this season, beating the team that knocked out the Premier League winners last season and getting further than any English team. The guy is a roaster. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DMCs Posted March 16, 2021 Share Posted March 16, 2021 Also the record of Italian sides in Europe recently is so so bad. Apart from Bayern the average Bundesliga side has less money than your Inter Milans or Napolis etc. Not only that but the average age of a Bundesliga player is like 22. In Seria A it's very similar to La Liga or the Premier League at about 27-28. More expensive and more experienced players yet barely make a mark on Europe. Ultimately the Italians aren't as tactically aware or as defensively secure as they have traditionally been. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
craigkillie Posted March 17, 2021 Share Posted March 17, 2021 (edited) On 25/02/2021 at 05:12, Mr. Alli said: On 24/02/2021 at 08:32, TheScarf said: The English German 17 year old who scored was superb. FTFY. FTFTFYFY Edited March 17, 2021 by craigkillie 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blootoon87 Posted March 17, 2021 Share Posted March 17, 2021 No idea why VAR didn't look at that pull back by Azpilicueta. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derry Alli Posted March 17, 2021 Share Posted March 17, 2021 Good counter goal by Chelsea. Ziyech is an attractive man. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Connolly Posted March 17, 2021 Share Posted March 17, 2021 1 minute ago, Blootoon87 said: No idea why VAR didn't look at that pull back by Azpilicueta. Peter Walton says that's just the way the ref has decided to ref the game. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gianfranco Posted March 17, 2021 Share Posted March 17, 2021 Keeper will be disappointed with that. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Brightside Posted March 17, 2021 Share Posted March 17, 2021 Carrasco is worse than a man down at the moment. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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