Are YOU Voting for the Alba Party?

[git-intae-thum]

Comic poll headings by an understandably disgruntled green.....but anyway here is my tuppence....

Come the end of the next parliament, the SNP, Scotland's party of independence, will have been in power near 20 years. 

During that time, the party has become the party of the establishment....the devolution establishment.

It's been patently obvious for a while now that, the SNP, our vehicle for independence, was, at some point, hijacked.

Hijacked by a bunch of careerists and troughers, who in days gone by, would have filled the ranks of an equally dominant in its time slab. They have no interest in upsetting their wee apple carts and pushing for independence.

Hijacked by a bunch of rent a gobs who have shamelessly surfed the vast wave of the independence vote to force their own minority agenda views. Thereafter viciously dishing out ridicule or attempting to cancel anyone having the audacity to question wtf any of it has to do with independence. They have used our votes.....but have no serious interest in pushing for independence. Why would they?

A new vehicle for the hundreds of thousands of voters who want independence to be the priority is probably long overdue. 

I suppose in the coming weeks it will be established if the Alba Party are that new vehicle.

 

 

 

[Granny Danger]

Over the past year the SNP have managed to push support for YES to over 50% consistently for the first time ever, the slight but significant fall in such support coinciding with the Salmond saga.  Yet folk wanting to propose that Salmond’s new party will be the saviour of the Independence movement?  What unadulterated pish.

It just goes to show that there are still gullible fools and contrarians about wanting to claim the roll of ‘real nationalists’, albeit probably fairly small in number.

[DeeTillEhDeh]

Over the past year the SNP have managed to push support for YES to over 50% consistently for the first time ever, the slight but significant fall in such support coinciding with the Salmond saga.  Yet folk wanting to propose that Salmond’s new party will be the saviour of the Independence movement?  What unadulterated pish.
It just goes to show that there are still gullible fools and contrarians about wanting to claim the roll of ‘real nationalists’, albeit probably fairly small in number.

Some of them here remind me of the trots who are the "true believers" - the "defenders of true socialism " - whilst quickly disappearing up their own arseholes.

It's something that certain people on the fundamentalist wing don't get - even Salmond understood (and I still think he does) - that you need a broad coalition to persuade people who are reluctant to follow you.

[Double Jack D]

To be honest, if all Alba achieve is educating swathes of SNP voters that their second vote counts for shit and it would be far better placed with smaller, pro indy parties then it will have succeeded.

I will be watching the polls and placing my list vote accordingly. I was one of 120,000 who wasted my regional vote in Mid Scotland and Fife in 2016 and I wont be doing it again.

[Guest Bob Mahelp]

The concept of independence was always going to be one of evolution, not revolution. Most people can see that, and while Sturgeon's softly softly approach is not to everyone's taste, the fact is that for the first time in history more than half of Scottish voters were consistently supporting independence......in greater part because women trust Nicola Sturgeon far more than they trust Alex Salmond.

Salmond's aggressive gambling type approach appeals to those who want the 'big bang', but it has the negative side of often looking risky and confrontational. Unionists are far more able to paint it as 'extremism' and tbh it doesn't help when you have nutcases like Tommy Sheridan hitching their horse to your wagon. 

There's part of me that wants to see Alba do well and then to work hand in hand with the SNP after the election. But then the sensible part of me realises that Salmond is damaged goods....damaged beyond repair...and would only be a massive hinderance if he got back into mainstream politics again. 

[Benjamin_Nevis]

Comic poll headings by an understandably disgruntled green.....but anyway here is my tuppence....
Come the end of the next parliament, the SNP, Scotland's party of independence, will have been in power near 20 years. 
During that time, the party has become the party of the establishment....the devolution establishment.
It's been patently obvious for a while now that, the SNP, our vehicle for independence, was, at some point, hijacked.
Hijacked by a bunch of careerists and troughers, who in days gone by, would have filled the ranks of an equally dominant in its time slab. They have no interest in upsetting their wee apple carts and pushing for independence.
Hijacked by a bunch of rent a gobs who have shamelessly surfed the vast wave of the independence vote to force their own minority agenda views. Thereafter viciously dishing out ridicule or attempting to cancel anyone having the audacity to question wtf any of it has to do with independence. They have used our votes.....but have no serious interest in pushing for independence. Why would they?
A new vehicle for the hundreds of thousands of voters who want independence to be the priority is probably long overdue. 
I suppose in the coming weeks it will be established if the Alba Party are that new vehicle.
 
 
 

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[Lex]

No.
It is interesting watching the ‘Valkyrie effect’ play out though.
A few pioneers set it up and commit from the start. Plenty others are interested, but naturally want to wait and see how it goes before going for it. They’re against the leader but are cautious and don’t want to be on the wrong side if it all goes tits up.
If they have a half decent show at the May elections there will be a tidal wave of defections. The real impact of this party won’t be this year, it will be felt in the 2024 general election and onward.

[Guest Bob Mahelp]

42 minutes ago, Lex said:

No.
It is interesting watching the ‘Valkyrie effect’ play out though.
A few pioneers set it up and commit from the start. Plenty others are interested, but naturally want to wait and see how it goes before going for it. They’re against the leader but are cautious and don’t want to be on the wrong side if it all goes tits up.
If they have a half decent show at the May elections there will be a tidal wave of defections. The real impact of this party won’t be this year, it will be felt in the 2024 general election and onward.
 

In Valkyrie, they did end up all getting shot though. 

[picklish]

What do you think it is that the SNP have done to increase independence support this past year? Surely it's been the result of Brexit, for the Europeans working in Scottish hospitals/shops/universities, for the English 'ex-pats' who see Scotland as a way out of their Brexit nightmare, for the middle class who have holidays homes in France, all of whom would more likely have voted No before. I think those are sufficient numbers to change the polling. Sturgeons handling of the pandemic would have helped but I can't see it as the driving force

 

Edited March 29, 2021 by picklish

[NotThePars]

7 hours ago, git-intae-thum said:

Hijacked by a bunch of rent a gobs who have shamelessly surfed the vast wave of the independence vote to force their own minority agenda views.

Salmond was talking about "sex-based rights" in his party's launch campaign lol

 

 

[ayrmad]

8 minutes ago, NotThePars said:

Salmond was talking about "sex-based rights" in his party's launch campaign lol

 

 

It's surely better dying on a hill for half the population than next to nobody. 

[oneteaminglasgow]

2 minutes ago, ayrmad said:

It's surely better dying on a hill for half the population than next to nobody. 

What? 

[NotThePars]

3 minutes ago, ayrmad said:

It's surely better dying on a hill for half the population than next to nobody. 

I could stand on a platform of preserving a future for the white race but that doesn't mean I'm actually appealing to the vast majority of the country.

Edited March 29, 2021 by NotThePars

[Gordon EF]

15 minutes ago, NotThePars said:

Salmond was talking about "sex-based rights" in his party's launch campaign lol

 

 

Someone told him that meant the right to have sex with folk who work for you.

[HTG]

32 minutes ago, picklish said:

What do you think it is that the SNP have done to increase independence support this past year? Surely it's been the result of Brexit, for the Europeans working in Scottish hospitals/shops/universities, for the English 'ex-pats' who see Scotland as a way out of their Brexit nightmare, for the middle class who have holidays homes in France, all of whom would more likely have voted No before. I think those are sufficient numbers to change the polling. Sturgeons handling of the pandemic would have helped but I can't see it as the driving force

 

You're correct about Europeans in Scotland - they'll have swung significantly. English ex parts? Maybe not so much. The big swing though may be women who have seen Nicola Sturgeon as a competent and compassionate leader through the pandemic. Certainly one that's put her heart and soul into the job. She's made mistakes but owned up to them. There are likely to be a decent number in this category who have gone from hard or soft No to soft Yes. Certainly more of them than have decided to follow the boy from Bath towards Galloway and his ilk. 

[git-intae-thum]

16 minutes ago, NotThePars said:

Salmond was talking about "sex-based rights" in his party's launch campaign lol

 

 

 

Agreed....the last thing needed is further division on that particular issue. 

It has nothing to do with the goal of  independence.

 

[SANTAN]

51 minutes ago, Pato said:

You shouldn't be worried about anyone saying they'll vote for a ~disruptive~ party because loads of people said they'd vote for chuktig and in the end about 1% did.

Which is why I smirk when people talk about consistent support for Indy over 50%. 

Sure there was in some polls, would that translate in an actual referendum, I doubt it. 

[scottsdad]

No chance voting for this. It can be added to the list of vanity project political parties along with:

Change UK (collection of misfits)

The Brexit Party (Farage)

The Reform Party (Farage)

The Respect Party (Galloway)

Workers Party of Britain (Galloway)

All For Unity (Galloway again)

Solidarity (Sheridan)

[invergowrie arab]

[topcat(The most tip top)]

Interesting* fact that I thought I should share

"Alba" translates from Latin as "White in a lackluster sort of way"

 

 

 

 

 

 

* Possibly not actually Interesting, no refunds

Edited March 29, 2021 by topcat(The most tip top)