Prince Philip Deid

[Derry Alli]

1 hour ago, Honest_Man#1 said:

I’m inclined to agree, but who’s for us to police what is acceptable for jokes and what isn’t? 

Exactly this. You see it all over the forum where an obscure person dies of cancer and its a joke-a-thon in certain parts of the forum. The same folk then react angrily and shocked at 'jokes' when it's someone they see more often in their TV's that dies from the same disease. 

[velo army]

 

1 minute ago, invergowrie arab said:

Are you punching up or punching down would be my first port of call.

 

This for me. 

Also, what is actually being made fun of? The poster who used the Lassie's "who is she" phrase was using her catchphrase to make fun of the fuss being made. Punching up by pointing out hypocrisy and also paying a sort of affectionate tribute. It skilfully manages to poke fun without punching down.

Jokes about eating disorders that are clearly just cruel jibes shouldnt be off limits per se, but be prepared to be held firmly to account. It's just using someone else's misery to elevate yourself. Cuntish behaviour.

Making fun of the chooky's death has many facets. None of the jokes are pointing and laughing at an old man for dying, they're pointing and poking at the deification in death of a man who many see as part of a parasitic institution that benefited nobody but its members. There was also his use of position to point and laugh at those beneath him. 

Id also say that if you are offended by jokes about the Duke, let it be known. We could be stepping into unknown sensitive territory. 

 

[NotThePars]

I think one major difference is all the Philip posts were funny and the Nikki Grahame ones were not.

[Bairnardo]

18 minutes ago, Honest_Man#1 said:

Generally I agree with this. I personally don’t find jokes about mental health issues and death funny in the slightest (e.g. on here when Chester Bennington killed himself it was open season for “In the end it doesn’t even matter” jokes), but without wanting to go full Ricky Gervais on it, I hate the idea that because a joke offends someone it should be banned/censored. Humour varies person to person and people are more than welcome to find jokes offensive and give someone stick for them, but they shouldn’t be allowed to use offence to have censorship.

If you’re some weirdo royalist like that guy with the Union Jack hat, then the Prince Philip jokes would be incredibly offensive and upsetting, but I find them hilarious, and he has no right to demand they are not allowed.

All fair. 

Tbh, I rarely pull folk for jokes, mental health ones just seem a bit off colour to me in this day and age. Maybe I overreact to them. I don't know. This forum just always seems to be well policed on mental health matters and it sort of came naturally to me to call those particular posts out. Maybe its a reflex and we all have different ones. I do tend to subscribe to the theory that stand up comedians for example, can say whatever the f**k they want, since its their job and if they cross the line I (speaking as a member of the public as much as me personally) will simply shun their product and their wages will suffer. 

 

Well now.... This is all a bit sensible for a Sunday on here. 

[Honest_Man#1]

3 minutes ago, Bairnardo said:

All fair. 

Tbh, I rarely pull folk for jokes, mental health ones just seem a bit off colour to me in this day and age. Maybe I overreact to them. I don't know. This forum just always seems to be well policed on mental health matters and it sort of came naturally to me to call those particular posts out. Maybe its a reflex and we all have different ones. I do tend to subscribe to the theory that stand up comedians for example, can say whatever the f**k they want, since its their job and if they cross the line I (speaking as a member of the public as much as me personally) will simply shun their product and their wages will suffer. 

 

Well now.... This is all a bit sensible for a Sunday on here. 

Where’s Wattoo so he can tell someone to f**k off and die to light this candle.

[Bairnardo]

Where’s Wattoo so he can tell someone to f**k off and die to light this candle.

We do have all the pieces in place for a Wattoo/Ayrmad type contribution tbh, including the resurrection of a certain thread.

[Jacksgranda]

1 minute ago, Bairnardo said:

5 minutes ago, Honest_Man#1 said:

Where’s Wattoo so he can tell someone to f**k off and die to light this candle.

We do have all the pieces in place for a Wattoo/Ayrmad type contribution tbh, including the resurrection of a certain thread.

Well, it was Easter last week, after all.

[Monkey Tennis]

2 hours ago, San Starko Rover said:

 

c***s like that are clearly mental, imagine getting choked up because someone you don’t know has died, the only ones who should feel anything are his family and friends. 

 

I agree with you on this, but it raises an interesting idea.

I think that the public response to Philip's death is largely manufactured and in most cases, decidedly insincere.  There clearly are some people, however, who are genuinely upset by this news.  I really do find it baffling, but that doesn't alter the fact of it.

As a genuine question, have posters ever felt saddened by the death of a public figure?  I don't think I can ever really say I have been to be honest, but I think such sentiment is legitimate enough if the person in question's work means a lot to you.  The age of the person and the nature of his/her death might also have an impact of course.

[oldbitterandgrumpy]

2 hours ago, Bob Mahelp said:

As an aside, The Express have decided to combine their two favourite themes.....utter deference to the Royals, and complete hatred of the SNP....into one headline this morning.

https://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/1421513/nicola-sturgeon-news-SNP-supporters-mock-prince-Philip-death-funeral-royal-family-latest

Some things in this country are so dependable and predictable. Their standards are getting sloppy though, no mention of Diana in that article. 

[Miguel Sanchez]

36 minutes ago, GordonD said:

I saw that. My irony meter exploded at the woman who said, "Fortunately most people have obeyed the request not to turn up here."

I mean, technically she's right. There would have been a lot more people at home than at a castle.

[Moomintroll]

1 minute ago, Monkey Tennis said:

I agree with you on this, but it raises an interesting idea.

I think that the public response to Philip's death is largely manufactured and in most cases, decidedly insincere.  There clearly are some people, however, who are genuinely upset by this news.  I really do find it baffling, but that doesn't alter the fact of it.

As a genuine question, have posters ever felt saddened by the death of a public figure?  I don't think I can ever really say I have been to be honest, but I think such sentiment is legitimate enough if the person in question's work means a lot to you.  The age of the person and the nature of his/her death might also have an impact of course.

The one that really gutted me was David Bowie, happened not long after my mum died & the orchestral tribute to him at TITP had me in floods of tears as it released a lot of emotion I had supressed.

[tamthebam]

When Diana died there were lots of floral tributes laid down at Holyrood Palace (tbh I went there out of curiosity and walked past them all shaking my head. But I'm a traitorous republican) 

I passed the Palace last night and apart from a few bored looking polis and the flag flying at half mast I didn't see any flowers. I can't believe Edinburgh doesn't have any buckled Royalists who would leave a tribute so do the staff remove any flowers at night?

[Bairnardo]

I agree with you on this, but it raises an interesting idea.
I think that the public response to Philip's death is largely manufactured and in most cases, decidedly insincere.  There clearly are some people, however, who are genuinely upset by this news.  I really do find it baffling, but that doesn't alter the fact of it.
As a genuine question, have posters ever felt saddened by the death of a public figure?  I don't think I can ever really say I have been to be honest, but I think such sentiment is legitimate enough if the person in question's work means a lot to you.  The age of the person and the nature of his/her death might also have an impact of course.

Certainly know a few on here were upset by the boy from Frightened Rabbit.

I got quite upset when Tito Vilanova died, mainly because it was shortly after losing a family member to cancer and it opened it all up again.

[bennett]

13 minutes ago, Monkey Tennis said:

I agree with you on this, but it raises an interesting idea.

I think that the public response to Philip's death is largely manufactured and in most cases, decidedly insincere.  There clearly are some people, however, who are genuinely upset by this news.  I really do find it baffling, but that doesn't alter the fact of it.

As a genuine question, have posters ever felt saddened by the death of a public figure?  I don't think I can ever really say I have been to be honest, but I think such sentiment is legitimate enough if the person in question's work means a lot to you.  The age of the person and the nature of his/her death might also have an impact of course.

Barry Chuckle. 

 

[Rugster]

14 minutes ago, Monkey Tennis said:

I agree with you on this, but it raises an interesting idea.

I think that the public response to Philip's death is largely manufactured and in most cases, decidedly insincere.  There clearly are some people, however, who are genuinely upset by this news.  I really do find it baffling, but that doesn't alter the fact of it.

As a genuine question, have posters ever felt saddened by the death of a public figure?  I don't think I can ever really say I have been to be honest, but I think such sentiment is legitimate enough if the person in question's work means a lot to you.  The age of the person and the nature of his/her death might also have an impact of course.

I was quite sad when Freddie Mercury died. I mean, I wasn’t crying or anything but it definitely saddened me. Can’t really think of anyone else off the top of my head though. 

[tamthebam]

Re: Denmark

The Germans invaded Denmark on bicycles stolen from the Netherlands.  Simon Kuper's book "Football against the enemy" mentioned that the Dutch chant whenever they played the Germans was "Give us back our bicycles"

(NB the Japanese invaded the British colony of Singapore on bicycles too)

[oldbitterandgrumpy]

5 minutes ago, Monkey Tennis said:

As a genuine question, have posters ever felt saddened by the death of a public figure?  I don't think I can ever really say I have been to be honest, but I think such sentiment is legitimate enough if the person in question's work means a lot to you.  The age of the person and the nature of his/her death might also have an impact of course.

For some reason, I was saddened by the death of Charles Kennedy.

Never met the guy, and he was never going to get my vote or win me over to the Lib Dems. He just seemed to have a shred of honesty that most politicians don't. It was a shame he died so young, but given his fondness for copious amounts of whisky that was always on the cards. ( I never cried, or any of that nonsense, just felt sad that one of the relatively good guys in politics had gone).

[Jacksgranda]

15 minutes ago, Monkey Tennis said:

I agree with you on this, but it raises an interesting idea.

I think that the public response to Philip's death is largely manufactured and in most cases, decidedly insincere.  There clearly are some people, however, who are genuinely upset by this news.  I really do find it baffling, but that doesn't alter the fact of it.

As a genuine question, have posters ever felt saddened by the death of a public figure?  I don't think I can ever really say I have been to be honest, but I think such sentiment is legitimate enough if the person in question's work means a lot to you.  The age of the person and the nature of his/her death might also have an impact of course.

Don't think I have, tbh, and there's been a right few in my 68 years. There's a few times I've said "Och, that's too bad", and a lot more that have made me aware of my own mortality, but I'm struggling to remember if I've felt sad, as when friends and family die.

[Ira Gaines]

Chester Bennington's death had a minor impact on me. Wasn't gutted or anything but there was definitely a bit of sadness there.

[Guest TheJTS98]

I remember the death of Liam Miller seemed particularly unfair to me. A young guy who had clearly been fit as a fiddle and must have done pretty much everything a doctor would recommend, gone at 36 through what can only be described as the worst case of 'one of those things' imaginable. Seemed desperately sad to me.

Not floods of tears sad, but it definitely made an impact.