Jinky67 Posted December 20, 2021 Share Posted December 20, 2021 1 minute ago, colourofthegrass said: Look, the boy can stand up for more than 10 seconds He only needs 7 seconds though from the time ball is played, lobbing over the keeper to falling to his knees destroying your hopes and dreams 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ranaldo Bairn Posted December 20, 2021 Share Posted December 20, 2021 The utterly catastrophic refereeing/VAR performance from England this weekend sadly rule it out as a panacea for our refereeing woes. They simply will not be corrected if they operate it in the same way here as down there. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Henrik's tongue Posted December 20, 2021 Share Posted December 20, 2021 The best player in Scotland fair divides opinion, eh? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ranaldo Bairn Posted December 20, 2021 Share Posted December 20, 2021 3 minutes ago, Henrik's tongue said: The best player in Scotland fair divides opinion, eh? He's a brilliant wee player who I enjoy watching, but his diving is frankly ludicrous. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drew Brees Posted December 20, 2021 Share Posted December 20, 2021 25 minutes ago, WeeMentalDavie said: To dispel the myth that Scott Allan was standing ready to come on. Hibs switched off and we took advantage. But McGinn tears must count for something. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AJF Posted December 20, 2021 Share Posted December 20, 2021 12 minutes ago, Henrik's tongue said: The best player in Scotland fair divides opinion, eh? His ability cannot be doubted. The only divide in opinion is Celtic fans vs everyone else regarding his ‘gamesmanship’. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bairnardo Posted December 20, 2021 Share Posted December 20, 2021 Our refereeing issues are down to a sinple lack of quality/competence. VAR can f**k off. Even if you want to argue it hasnt made the EPL worse, no one will take you seriously if you claim its made it better. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jinky67 Posted December 20, 2021 Share Posted December 20, 2021 25 minutes ago, AJF said: His ability cannot be doubted. The only divide in opinion is Celtic fans vs everyone else regarding his ‘gamesmanship’. As of yet I don’t think he’s had a yellow card for simulation? However a player with a little bit of devilment about them I can forgive especially when they can deliver you moments of pure magic like yesterday. He is special I just hope we get to keep a hold of him for a good few seasons 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AJF Posted December 20, 2021 Share Posted December 20, 2021 (edited) 20 minutes ago, Jinky67 said: As of yet I don’t think he’s had a yellow card for simulation? However a player with a little bit of devilment about them I can forgive especially when they can deliver you moments of pure magic like yesterday. He is special I just hope we get to keep a hold of him for a good few seasons Saying he hasn’t been carded for simulation is entirely different from saying he is innocent. I agree that a player with something a little extra to their character can be forgiven but that is also different from denying it. Edited December 20, 2021 by AJF 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
colourofthegrass Posted December 20, 2021 Share Posted December 20, 2021 19 minutes ago, Jinky67 said: As of yet I don’t think he’s had a yellow card for simulation? However a player with a little bit of devilment about them I can forgive especially when they can deliver you moments of pure magic like yesterday. He is special I just hope we get to keep a hold of him for a good few seasons Another reason to doubt Scotland's referees. His diving in the first half was so bad it was funny. Maybe he wasn't fully fit, so hadn't been practicing? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jinky67 Posted December 20, 2021 Share Posted December 20, 2021 8 minutes ago, AJF said: Saying he hasn’t been carded for simulation is entirely different from saying he is innocent. I entirely agree that a player with something a little extra to their character can be forgiven but that is also different from denying it. Well he hasn’t as he doesn’t imo simulate fouls. Does he go down a little too easy? Possibly but I’ve yet to see him blatantly try cheat or con a referee when he hasn’t been touched. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jinky67 Posted December 20, 2021 Share Posted December 20, 2021 (edited) 2 minutes ago, colourofthegrass said: Another reason to doubt Scotland's referees. His diving in the first half was so bad it was funny. Maybe he wasn't fully fit, so hadn't been practicing? He barely touched a ball in the 1st half never mind dive. The only time he was down was when he lost his balance after beating the keeper to the ball and he made no attempt to claim a foul Edited December 20, 2021 by Jinky67 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AJF Posted December 20, 2021 Share Posted December 20, 2021 (edited) 7 minutes ago, Jinky67 said: Well he hasn’t as he doesn’t imo simulate fouls. Does he go down a little too easy? Possibly but I’ve yet to see him blatantly try cheat or con a referee when he hasn’t been touched. What is the intention of his theatrical collapses then if they are not an attempt to cheat or con a referee? Using this older video, only one of these incidents should be considered a foul, IMO, which is the Livingston one. Why would he go down like he did in the other incidents if it wasn’t an attempt to either: a) win a foul or b) get an opponent in trouble? Edited December 20, 2021 by AJF 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drew Brees Posted December 20, 2021 Share Posted December 20, 2021 11 minutes ago, AJF said: What is the intention of his theatrical collapses then if they are not an attempt to cheat or con a referee? Using this older video, only one of these incidents should be considered a foul, IMO, which is the Livingston one. Why would he go down like he did in the other incidents if it wasn’t an attempt to either: a) win a foul or b) get an opponent in trouble? They all do it mate, part of the game now unfortunately 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AJF Posted December 20, 2021 Share Posted December 20, 2021 Just now, Drew Brees said: They all do it mate, part of the game now unfortunately No disagreements from me. It doesn’t change my opinion on the matter. For example, Morelos is one of the worst culprits of gamesmanship I can remember. I accept he is a complete c**t, but he is our c**t. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rovers_Lad Posted December 20, 2021 Share Posted December 20, 2021 1 hour ago, Ranaldo Bairn said: The utterly catastrophic refereeing/VAR performance from England this weekend sadly rule it out as a panacea for our refereeing woes. They simply will not be corrected if they operate it in the same way here as down there. This The refereeing/VAR in the Spurs v Liverpool game beggared belief 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jinky67 Posted December 20, 2021 Share Posted December 20, 2021 9 minutes ago, AJF said: What is the intention of his theatrical collapses then if they are not an attempt to cheat or con a referee? Using this older video, only one of these incidents should be considered a foul, IMO, which is the Livingston one. Why would he go down like he did in the other incidents if it wasn’t an attempt to either: a) win a foul or b) get an opponent in trouble? The Souttar one is also a foul imo, why is he grabbing and twisting at his midriff? He has no reason to have his hands on him in that scenario. But the fact is players these days go down easy they all do but for me there is a difference between going down under contact and going down when there is no contact whatsoever. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AJF Posted December 20, 2021 Share Posted December 20, 2021 (edited) 7 minutes ago, Jinky67 said: The Souttar one is also a foul imo, why is he grabbing and twisting at his midriff? He has no reason to have his hands on him in that scenario. But the fact is players these days go down easy they all do but for me there is a difference between going down under contact and going down when there is no contact whatsoever. I think you’d be hard pressed to find a ref that would give a nip or pinch as a foul unless it is to someone’s face. In terms of your second point, yes, it’s a cautionable offence if a player pretends to have been fouled, but it is equally a cautionable offence if a player attempts to deceive the referee by feigning injury, which is what I believe Kyogo has been guilty of. Edited December 20, 2021 by AJF 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leith Green Posted December 20, 2021 Share Posted December 20, 2021 16 minutes ago, AJF said: I think you’d be hard pressed to find a ref that would give a nip or pinch as a foul unless it is to someone’s face. In terms of your second point, yes, it’s a cautionable offence if a player pretends to have been fouled, but it is equally a cautionable offence if a player attempts to deceive the referee by feigning injury, which is what I believe Kyogo has been guilty of. The Celtic fans at the match wouldnt have seen it, but there was one in the first half where the ball had been cleared, and Kyogo and Hanlon were next to each other (but not "close together") and - much in the same way as the Souttar one - a sniper in the stands must have shot him. Hanlon looked at him the same way Souttar did because he was unquestionably looking for a pen. This was 5 minutes after his (actual accidental fall) at the other side of the box. Hes a very talented player, but his play acting is horrendous. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fratelli Posted December 20, 2021 Share Posted December 20, 2021 (edited) Kyogo has without a doubt went down easily a couple of times, but the absolute frenzy of radio phone ins, comments from pundits on TV and countless opinion pieces have blown the whole thing way out of proportion, to the point that folks minds are made up and he has a set in stone reputation now. You saw it yesterday when he slipped in the first half, he didn't claim for anything and got up straight away but folk on here and Twitter were giving it the 'theres that pesky wee cheat trying to con the ref again' patter. It's happened loads of times to loads of players, and Morelos has probably suffered from the same thing. From here on in Kyogo will always be snivelling con artist bringing that diving shite into Oor Game™ regardless of whether he's been fouled or not. He'll be booed at most grounds in the country and the default setting will be to assume he's at it again. It's not really a big deal and in some sense it's all just part of the pantomime (that i would probably partake in if he was an opposition player) but it is interesting to see how quickly the narrative around players and their personalities can form. If you trace back to when these types of allegations started being made against Kyogo, there's probably an interesting conversation to be had but that's for another time. There's definitely a grain of truth in the idea that he spends a fair amount of time on the deck, although i'm not sure he's quite as cunning as folk make out, think the fact he has the build of a 12 year old and plays in Scottish football might have something to do with it too. Edited December 20, 2021 by Fratelli 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recommended Posts
Join the conversation
You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.