Wee Bully Posted April 29, 2023 Share Posted April 29, 2023 2 hours ago, f_c_dundee said: Yes, that was the case. Although it's rare overall, the drift to self ID has enabled chancers, I don't believe you can deny that. I can deny that.- show me the evidence. We’ve had self-ID in Ireland for a number of years.. What has happened there? 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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f_c_dundee Posted April 29, 2023 Share Posted April 29, 2023 (edited) 2 hours ago, Wee Bully said: I can deny that.- show me the evidence. We’ve had self-ID in Ireland for a number of years.. What has happened there? Several prisoners having to have close supervision in women's prisons for one. Barbie Kardashian anyone? Leo Varadkar's face was a picture when he was finally challenged by a journalist on the issue. https://twitter.com/WomensSocIre/status/1638262631927631889?t=YHYYbBxdeOiAs8DfYSm2BA&s=19 Edited April 29, 2023 by f_c_dundee Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carpetmonster Posted April 29, 2023 Share Posted April 29, 2023 21 minutes ago, f_c_dundee said: Several prisoners having to have close supervision in women's prisons for one. Barbie Kardashian anyone? Leo Varadkar's face was a picture when he was finally challenged by a journalist on the issue. https://twitter.com/WomensSocIre/status/1638262631927631889?t=YHYYbBxdeOiAs8DfYSm2BA&s=19 From the looks of it they’d need close supervision whichever prison they were in. https://www.irishmirror.ie/news/irish-news/crime/barbie-kardashian-under-garda-investigation-29820564.amp Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Theroadlesstravelled Posted April 29, 2023 Share Posted April 29, 2023 Colorado Democrats in the state House have voted against enhancing criminal penalties for indecent exposure in view of a minor as the bill could be used to "ban" drag shows. Showing your willie to kids should be a felony. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wee Bully Posted April 30, 2023 Share Posted April 30, 2023 9 hours ago, f_c_dundee said: Several prisoners having to have close supervision in women's prisons for one. Barbie Kardashian anyone? Leo Varadkar's face was a picture when he was finally challenged by a journalist on the issue. https://twitter.com/WomensSocIre/status/1638262631927631889?t=YHYYbBxdeOiAs8DfYSm2BA&s=19 It’s really not. Prisoners should be under close supervision, and the fact you’ve gone to a prison example shows that you have no evidence that self- ID has “enabled chancers” in the real world. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trogdor Posted April 30, 2023 Share Posted April 30, 2023 1 hour ago, Wee Bully said: It’s really not. Prisoners should be under close supervision, and the fact you’ve gone to a prison example shows that you have no evidence that self- ID has “enabled chancers” in the real world. Wait, prison isn't the real world? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f_c_dundee Posted April 30, 2023 Share Posted April 30, 2023 10 hours ago, carpetmonster said: From the looks of it they’d need close supervision whichever prison they were in. https://www.irishmirror.ie/news/irish-news/crime/barbie-kardashian-under-garda-investigation-29820564.amp It's his mother he's threatened and other women he's attacked viciously though. Sounds like he's had a really horrendous life, but he still has to be detained safely, as a very dangerous person. Women's prisons generally have limited facility for highly dangerous prisoners as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f_c_dundee Posted April 30, 2023 Share Posted April 30, 2023 53 minutes ago, Trogdor said: Wait, prison isn't the real world? Yeah, prisoners are expendable or something Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f_c_dundee Posted April 30, 2023 Share Posted April 30, 2023 2 hours ago, Wee Bully said: It’s really not. Prisoners should be under close supervision, and the fact you’ve gone to a prison example shows that you have no evidence that self- ID has “enabled chancers” in the real world. Self ID as law isn't the issue though. It's the fact that it's already been presented as the right thing to do and been accepted in so many places. My workplace is one of the ones with a policy that says if I'm unhappy that a man identifying as a woman wants to use the toilets or changing rooms, I should go elsewhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cb_diamond Posted April 30, 2023 Share Posted April 30, 2023 Is there an official P+B bylaw which states that this thread can't go more than a page without the term "sock puppet" being wheeled out? 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BFTD Posted April 30, 2023 Share Posted April 30, 2023 18 minutes ago, cb_diamond said: Is there an official P+B bylaw which states that this thread can't go more than a page without the term "sock puppet" being wheeled out? Yes, it's in the section that demands every page must be commented upon by at least one new account that signed up and headed straight for the Politics board on a football forum. 9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billy Jean King Posted April 30, 2023 Share Posted April 30, 2023 (edited) This is all getting dangerously close to the Inbetweeners scene where Jay is telling his mates about the guy who got stuck in the recycling bin By the time someone found him in the morning, he had been arse-raped 18 times." Edited April 30, 2023 by Billy Jean King 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f_c_dundee Posted April 30, 2023 Share Posted April 30, 2023 8 hours ago, Billy Jean King said: This is all getting dangerously close to the Inbetweeners scene where Jay is telling his mates about the guy who got stuck in the recycling bin By the time someone found him in the morning, he had been arse-raped 18 times." In what way? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Savage Henry Posted April 30, 2023 Share Posted April 30, 2023 59 minutes ago, f_c_dundee said: In what way? Do you need a diagram? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BFTD Posted April 30, 2023 Share Posted April 30, 2023 41 minutes ago, Savage Henry said: Do you need a diagram? @throbber, I think your presence is required. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Benjamin_Nevis Posted May 1, 2023 Share Posted May 1, 2023 19 hours ago, cb_diamond said: Is there an official P+B bylaw which states that this thread can't go more than a page without the term "sock puppet" being wheeled out? Impressed that your only upvotes for this were quite literally from three of them. Perhaps if these tragic losers didn't feel the need to keep creating new accounts to be edgelords on the Politics sub of a fitba forum, everyone wouldn't feel the need to ridicule them. -1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sophia Posted May 1, 2023 Share Posted May 1, 2023 10 minutes ago, Benjamin_Nevis said: Impressed that your only upvotes for this were quite literally from three of them. Perhaps if these tragic losers didn't feel the need to keep creating new accounts to be edgelords on the Politics sub of a fitba forum, everyone wouldn't feel the need to ridicule them. Everyone? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billy Jean King Posted May 1, 2023 Share Posted May 1, 2023 11 hours ago, f_c_dundee said: In what way? Seriously ? It's glaringly obvious when it comes to folk saying self ID is enabling chance / opportune offenders. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leith Green Posted May 1, 2023 Share Posted May 1, 2023 22 hours ago, f_c_dundee said: Self ID as law isn't the issue though. It's the fact that it's already been presented as the right thing to do and been accepted in so many places. My workplace is one of the ones with a policy that says if I'm unhappy that a man identifying as a woman wants to use the toilets or changing rooms, I should go elsewhere. Your workplace cant order trans people which toilets to use, but it can suggest (to all employees) that if any employee is uncomfortable, they are free to use other ones. This only seems sensible. In the real world, I would suggest that if a trans woman in a workplace was going to use toilets, they would be far more likely to use a different space themselves (like a single cubicle disabled toilet) for reasons of embarrassment etc. Anybody using the "Aye, but rapists" response to that hasnt really thought it through - because if you are an opportunist rapist of whatever gender, the suggestion that they wont do their dirty deeds unless they have self i.d. as a woman is - frankly - laughable. I dont know how large your workplace is, but I would also - respectfully - suggest that the numbers identifying as a trans woman will be tiny - in fact in most workplaces will be zero. Its not exactly rocket science, or that difficult to navigate to be honest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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