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1 minute ago, Sarto Mutiny said:

I mean, given Ukraine has a Jewish president, if they trying to be Nazis they aren't doing very well at it.

"But he's one of the good ones!"

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1 hour ago, Savage Henry said:

Spokesperson on the Today program explained it was a result of the storms and various other things.  Nothing to do with Russia. 

Almost certainly just BA's third world IT melting again.

If it were a cyber attack they would be very quick to get that out there so their 'extraordinary circumstances' defence is set ahead of the deluge of EU261 claims they are about to receive. 

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Was anyone else slightly confused / taken aback by the bizarre references being made to Kiev last night on BBC News ?

In the space of about 20 mins I heard it pronounced as KEEV, KEEF, KEV, KIEV, KEIF.

All rather confusing to say the least, can we not all just agree on a name and all call it that instead of trying to score childish political virtue signalling points from each other.....

 

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There's plenty of reports today that the Ukrainians have been taking back territory that was lost early on close to Crimea in the Kherson area which was the area where they had done most poorly so far and is very much part of Putin's "Novorossiya". The Ukrainian military can still easily be resupplied with armaments like stingers and javelins by road through Poland and Romania so a quick knockout blow was what the Russians very much needed.

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3 minutes ago, WATTOO said:

Was anyone else slightly confused / taken aback by the bizarre references being made to Kiev last night on BBC News ?

In the space of about 20 mins I heard it pronounced as KEEV, KEEF, KEV, KIEV, KEIF.

All rather confusing to say the least, can we not all just agree on a name and all call it that instead of trying to score childish political virtue signalling points from each other.....

 

What name shout we “all just agree on”?  The Ukrainian pronunciation? 

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5 minutes ago, WATTOO said:

Was anyone else slightly confused / taken aback by the bizarre references being made to Kiev last night on BBC News ?

In the space of about 20 mins I heard it pronounced as KEEV, KEEF, KEV, KIEV, KEIF.

All rather confusing to say the least, can we not all just agree on a name and all call it that instead of trying to score childish political virtue signalling points from each other.....

 

The spelling is Kyiv, pronunciation will vary depending on accents.

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1 minute ago, Wee Bully said:

What name shout we “all just agree on”?  The Ukrainian pronunciation? 

Kiev because it's already the standard English version. Unless you're Alan McInally, we don't use Munchen or Roma or Praha because that would be fucking mental.

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8 minutes ago, WATTOO said:

Was anyone else slightly confused / taken aback by the bizarre references being made to Kiev last night on BBC News ?

In the space of about 20 mins I heard it pronounced as KEEV, KEEF, KEV, KIEV, KEIF.

All rather confusing to say the least, can we not all just agree on a name and all call it that instead of trying to score childish political virtue signalling points from each other.....

 

I have always known it as Kiev. As in Chicken.

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I'm just pointing out that this is not the only war we lived through in the 21st century or indeed right now. 
 
And your point is?

Many of us here have opposed wars in the past 40 odd years - I helped organise one of the first protests against the Iraqi invasion of Kuwait and protested against the subsequent First Gulf War.

There's no contradiction in that.

Just because the right thing was not done then is not an argument against action now.


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8 minutes ago, Wee Bully said:

What name shout we “all just agree on”?  The Ukrainian pronunciation? 

Shades of British newscasters going all Pepe Le Pew as they said “Sharlee Ebdoe”  following that attack, yet still saying “Paris” rather than “ParEE” in the same broadcast.

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4 minutes ago, Antlion said:

Shades of British newscasters going all Pepe Le Pew as they said “Sharlee Ebdoe”  following that attack, yet still saying “Paris” rather than “ParEE” in the same broadcast.

A woman I work with went on holiday to Spain and suddenly started calling Madrid MAAH-DAH-REEEED

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14 minutes ago, DeeTillEhDeh said:

And your point is?

Many of us here have opposed wars in the past 40 of years - I helped organise one of the first protests against the Iraqui invasion of Kuwait and protested against the subsequent First Gulf War.

There's no contradiction in that.

Just because the right thing was not done then is not an argument against action now.

Did you boycott Scotland games during either war?

How does calling for Russia to be expelled from the World Cup for two days of war with a few hundred dead fit with Saudi Arabia and UAE being allowed to compete after 7 years of waging war on Yemen with over 300,000 dead plus famine and disease on a horrific scale?

The USA invasion of Syria was just as illegal as Russia invading Ukraine but was widely ignored. The UK sells and maintains the weapons that destroy Yemen and is also involved in targeting so are you going to boycott Scotland?

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5 minutes ago, Bairnardo said:

In P&B parlance.... At what point does this become a minter for Putin? When does he have to consider whether he might still get the Eastern regions in exchange for an end to hostilities*? 

 

*Tear stained resignation

In which case he'd be absolutely seething and be told his invasion was a swing and a miss.

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