Greenacres Posted January 8, 2023 Share Posted January 8, 2023 56 minutes ago, SUPERSOUTH said: Bartley at training this morning hopefully he can make a quick impact on the team. Sunday and Wednesday not days off for players said in his interview he would meet them all tomorrow . He can't make a impact on players that are not good enough or don't have the balls to fight for the ball sadly you can't coach that it has to in the player . Take any of our defenders or any player they all give 100 % every game but they just can't do the aggressive stuff it is just not in them . My worry is Bartley will try and make players out of them that can't be done no matter how well they are coached . The squad needs a complete change but very difficult to get the players we need clubs not so keen to loan players to League 1. -1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qos1990 Posted January 8, 2023 Share Posted January 8, 2023 4 minutes ago, Greenacres said: Sunday and Wednesday not days off for players said in his interview he would meet them all tomorrow . He can't make a impact on players that are not good enough or don't have the balls to fight for the ball sadly you can't coach that it has to in the player . Take any of our defenders or any player they all give 100 % every game but they just can't do the aggressive stuff it is just not in them . My worry is Bartley will try and make players out of them that can't be done no matter how well they are coached . The squad needs a complete change but very difficult to get the players we need clubs not so keen to loan players to League 1. He was there today 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Otis Blue Posted January 8, 2023 Share Posted January 8, 2023 5 minutes ago, Greenacres said: The squad needs a complete change ... Yes but Bartley has to deal with reality. He can't completely change the squad in January, it's not feasible. So he has to make a couple of changes here and there and then he has to try to get more out of what's left for the remainder of the season. He knew that when he took the job. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skyline Drifter Posted January 8, 2023 Share Posted January 8, 2023 1 hour ago, Monkey Tennis said: I've got in my head that Tommy Bryce might have done that briefly at Partick Thistle. I'm quite possibly havering though. I often am. It looks like he played one game for them after being replaced as manager on March 9th by John Lambie. He played for Thistle on 13th March and then moved back to us, playing in a 5-3 win at Alloa on 20th March. Notwithstanding a single game (if the date of appointment I eventually tracked down for Lambie is correct) though he didn't remain as a player after losing the manager job, he left within 10 days. 1 hour ago, 19QOS19 said: He was clearly sacked because of his off field antics. I expect the Club have been generous with him in that statement possibly because he's came up through our ranks and has history with us. But lets not kid on it was because of the results. You've spent the bulk of the season berating the results (rightly so they've not been good enough, nobody at all, including Wullie, thinks they were) and have now decided it couldn't have been because of the results? That makes zero sense. Whatever happens with any Court case is nobody else's business really unless he's found guilty. 1 hour ago, Manwithnoball said: Gibson is only contracted till May 2023 but will still be due training compensation for him. As is Johnstone and McMahon, Muir and Irving. Wrong. Gibson, Johnstone and Burns are all on two year deals underwritten by sponsorship from the Tanner Fund. 52 minutes ago, Otis Blue said: Age is against WG's playing days continuing now. After this season he could conceivably get another season at L2 level or non-league but the curtains coming down soon. Shame in many ways but time is nobody's friend. This the same Wullie Gibson half of our fans think should have been starting regularly before he left the manager's job? Inevitably he's unlikely to be playing league football in a couple of years but if he wants to I'd imagine he'll get a contract at league level for at least the rest of this season. 36 minutes ago, Greenacres said: Sunday and Wednesday not days off for players said in his interview he would meet them all tomorrow . They were in today as they have a game on Tuesday. He did say in his interview he would meet them Monday but I assume that was said without having remembered on the spot we were in today. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manwithnoball Posted January 8, 2023 Share Posted January 8, 2023 1 hour ago, SUPERSOUTH said: 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
19QOS19 Posted January 8, 2023 Share Posted January 8, 2023 17 minutes ago, Skyline Drifter said: You've spent the bulk of the season berating the results (rightly so they've not been good enough, nobody at all, including Wullie, thinks they were) and have now decided it couldn't have been because of the results? That makes zero sense. Whatever happens with any Court case is nobody else's business really unless he's found guilty. The results are the excuse. The incident is the reason. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkey Tennis Posted January 8, 2023 Share Posted January 8, 2023 3 minutes ago, 19QOS19 said: The results are the excuse. The incident is the reason. I suspect they've dovetailed, and that neither would have resulted in his dismissal at that point, without the other. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Distant Doonhamer Posted January 8, 2023 Share Posted January 8, 2023 3 minutes ago, Monkey Tennis said: I suspect they've dovetailed, and that neither would have resulted in his dismissal at that point, without the other. Yes that's my suspicion too. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkey Tennis Posted January 8, 2023 Share Posted January 8, 2023 26 minutes ago, Skyline Drifter said: It looks like he played one game for them after being replaced as manager on March 9th by John Lambie. He played for Thistle on 13th March and then moved back to us, playing in a 5-3 win at Alloa on 20th March. Notwithstanding a single game (if the date of appointment I eventually tracked down for Lambie is correct) though he didn't remain as a player after losing the manager job, he left within 10 days. Ah, fair enough. I did think it was brief, but that's exceptionally so. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SUPERSOUTH Posted January 8, 2023 Share Posted January 8, 2023 34 minutes ago, Manwithnoball said: Gibson Burns and Johnstone all on 2 year deals funded by tanner fund. I would go by official qos website rather than a transfer market value site... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manwithnoball Posted January 8, 2023 Share Posted January 8, 2023 Just now, SUPERSOUTH said: Gibson Burns and Johnstone all on 2 year deals funded by tanner fund. I would go by official qos website rather than a transfer market value site... My apologies 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diamonds are Forever Posted January 8, 2023 Share Posted January 8, 2023 4 hours ago, sneeuq said: There used to be a large gap with fitness but no longer the case, esp with Queens who I always feel start to run out of puff after 80 mins and often look less fit than the part time teams. Not sure if its players, training, fitness coach. Feel the defenders really need to pull the socks up or there careers will be over. Can’t see any of them staying on and would be surprised if any other full time teams, or even PT teams would be that impressed with their performance this year. Probably will find their level at some pub league side. Harsh i know but not sure if there are actually any worse defenders in any of the 4 Scottish leagues at the moment. Who knows if Marvin will be able to turn them around. Definitely. The professionalism of part-time players has increased beyond measure. There is an optimal fitness level for a footballer and if part-timers are working hard to achieve that fitness level then it negates that full-time fitness advantage. There should be marginal gains over a season with being full-time - working on patterns of play, defensive organisation and structure, and the classic - set-pieces. But the days of fitness being one of them are gone I'd suggest. We've had a hybrid system for a few years and there's no way you'd ever tell who the part-time players were unless you knew. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Distant Doonhamer Posted January 9, 2023 Share Posted January 9, 2023 (edited) 2 hours ago, Diamonds are Forever said: Definitely. The professionalism of part-time players has increased beyond measure. There is an optimal fitness level for a footballer and if part-timers are working hard to achieve that fitness level then it negates that full-time fitness advantage. There should be marginal gains over a season with being full-time - working on patterns of play, defensive organisation and structure, and the classic - set-pieces. But the days of fitness being one of them are gone I'd suggest. We've had a hybrid system for a few years and there's no way you'd ever tell who the part-time players were unless you knew. Some very good points. That said the notion that our bunch of charlatans work hard on defensive organisation/ structure and set pieces is a huge stretch. These aspects are right up there as our major weaknesses so it’s tough to see even marginal gains. Edited January 9, 2023 by Distant Doonhamer 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex Nesovic's Barmy Army Posted January 9, 2023 Share Posted January 9, 2023 11 hours ago, Diamonds are Forever said: There should be marginal gains over a season with being full-time - working on patterns of play, defensive organisation and structure, and the classic - set-pieces. Wonder what our lads do instead of the defensive stuff and the set pieces. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terry_Tibbs Posted January 9, 2023 Share Posted January 9, 2023 13 hours ago, Diamonds are Forever said: Definitely. The professionalism of part-time players has increased beyond measure. There is an optimal fitness level for a footballer and if part-timers are working hard to achieve that fitness level then it negates that full-time fitness advantage. There should be marginal gains over a season with being full-time - working on patterns of play, defensive organisation and structure, and the classic - set-pieces. But the days of fitness being one of them are gone I'd suggest. We've had a hybrid system for a few years and there's no way you'd ever tell who the part-time players were unless you knew. How does your hybrid system work? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Otis Blue Posted January 9, 2023 Share Posted January 9, 2023 Excellent work by Dan Armstrong and the club as highlighted in the latest episode of the SPFL Trust podcast! https://spfltrust.podbean.com/e/spfl-trust-football-powered-podcast-episode-5 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QoS99 Posted January 9, 2023 Share Posted January 9, 2023 Kabia been recalled by Livi, wonder if he’ll end up here 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the_palmy_pie Posted January 9, 2023 Share Posted January 9, 2023 3 hours ago, Otis Blue said: Excellent work by Dan Armstrong and the club as highlighted in the latest episode of the SPFL Trust podcast! https://spfltrust.podbean.com/e/spfl-trust-football-powered-podcast-episode-5 There’s plenty of community work Queens do including the Foodhub Community Fridge that doesn’t get the credit is deserves. Dan Armstrong does some incredible work away from the football side of things at Palmerston. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FFC 1876 Posted January 9, 2023 Share Posted January 9, 2023 51 minutes ago, QoS99 said: Kabia been recalled by Livi, wonder if he’ll end up here Given the amount of favours Martindale's done Imrie at Morton and Kenny Miller when he was at us I think it's safe to assume you'll get a few loans in from Livingston. Kabia & Paton upfront would be a tremendous pairing. Any more on the Paton to St Johnstone rumour? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QoS99 Posted January 9, 2023 Share Posted January 9, 2023 6 minutes ago, FFC 1876 said: Given the amount of favours Martindale's done Imrie at Morton and Kenny Miller when he was at us I think it's safe to assume you'll get a few loans in from Livingston. Kabia & Paton upfront would be a tremendous pairing. Any more on the Paton to St Johnstone rumour? Nah it’s gone quiet on that. He’s nowhere near ready for a move like that, he should be seeing the season out with us. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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