HibeeJibee Posted February 21 Share Posted February 21 (edited) Kev is talking mince anyway... Hearts, Hibs, Aberdeen already drop more points v 'the rest' than OF do; accordingly more games v 'the rest' wouldn't close gap. Arguably playing 4 times should give more opportunities to compensate for this deficiency. Financially there is also no chance clubs here will replace 2 tight levels of 12+10 with 1 big division of 18/similar anyway. Plus that would again hurt challengers more than OF as they rely more on domestic gate receipts. There are only 2 solutions: (1) radically rebalance the financial position (2) cap the league competition with a title playoff so that winning the league effectively becomes a brief knockout cup where a one-off result can spear OF 2 hours ago, kennie makevin said: Four games a season does not work. If it did everyone would do it. All across Europe more top divisions than ever are playing 3 or 4 times and/or adopting splits: so in a way they are. 57 minutes ago, RandomGuy. said: Finland and Slovakia have 12 teams, and play each 3 times. Both split after 22 games and have 1 further fixture against each other. Slovakia play 4 times like ourselves: they just split after 2 rounds for total of 32-games. Edited February 21 by HibeeJibee 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1GregStewart Posted February 21 Share Posted February 21 9 minutes ago, HibeeJibee said: Kev is talking mince anyway... Hearts, Hibs, Aberdeen already drop more points v 'the rest' than OF do; accordingly more games v 'the rest' wouldn't close gap. If anything playing 4 times gives more chances to compensate for this deficiency. Financially there is also no chance clubs here will replace 2 tight levels of 12+10 with 1 big division of 18/similar anyway. Plus that would again hurt challengers more than OF as they rely more on domestic gate receipts. There are only 2 solutions: (1) radically rebalance the financial position (2) cap the league competition with a title playoff so that winning the league effectively becomes a brief knockout cup where a one-off result can spear OF All across Europe more top divisions than ever are playing 3 or 4 times and/or adopting splits: so in a way they are. Slovakia play 4 times like ourselves: they just split after 2 rounds for total of 32-games. Sounds a good idea, although hearts obviously wouldn’t go for it after so few games. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HibeeJibee Posted February 21 Share Posted February 21 5 minutes ago, VincentGuerin said: Albania, Andorra, Armenia, Austria, Azerbaijan, Belgium, Croatia, Cyrpus, Estonia, Georgia, Latvia, Lithuania, Moldova, Northern Ireland, Ireland, Romania, Slovakia, Slovenia, Switzerland, and Wales all have league systems where teams play some or all of their divisional opponents four times per season. It is not remotely unusual. So, going by your logic, it must be a good idea? also Denmark, Greece, Israel, Kosovo, Montenegro... ... plus Bosnia & Herzegovina, Bulgaria*, Faroe Islands, Finland, Gibraltar, Hungary, Iceland, Macedonia play 3-times. *middle split in Bulgaria actually play 4 times 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DiegoDiego Posted February 21 Share Posted February 21 (edited) 2 hours ago, RandomGuy. said: I wonder if theres any way you could enforce a rule where only over 16s, or 18s, can move to another country? Cant imagine it would be widely accepted though. No doubt agents would play that system too so it would be even worse. I thought there already was, after clubs were filling shipping containers with pubescent Africans then leaving the majority to rot in a strange land after not making the grade. Pretty sure Barcelona got caught and then whined about how they should get away with it as they're "mes que un club" and not at all a bunch of c***s. Edited February 21 by DiegoDiego 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
willywastecoat Posted February 21 Share Posted February 21 5 hours ago, Kev said: Let me get this right, you would rather play the OF 8 times a season When you're posting about big games this isn't true especially this season with sevco,Celtic will have played Hearts,Hibs,Aberdeen and sevco all away from home twice before the split,where as sevco will have only played each team away once,with Aberdeen and Hibs struggling to make the top six they won't play them again. The fixtures have been very kind to sevco this season,the manipulation of the fixtures before the split can put teams down and in trouble plus it can also give teams an advantage over others. -1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trackdaybob Posted February 22 Share Posted February 22 4 hours ago, willywastecoat said: The fixtures have been very kind to sevco this season, 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
itzdrk Posted February 22 Share Posted February 22 4 hours ago, willywastecoat said: The fixtures have been very kind to sevco this season I read that and thought it was a mental thing to say but when you look at their fixtures against last season's top 6 it isn't 'balanced' in that regard: 2x home v Hearts 2x home v Hibs 2x home v Aberdeen 2x home v Celtic 2x away v St Mirren Fortunately football isn't linear and it'll actually be pretty balanced and fair based on the top 6 staying as is removing Hibs and Aberdeen for: Kilmarnock 2x away Dundee 2x away Spoiler Hit by accident and can't delete, you wasted your time opening this. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
itzdrk Posted February 22 Share Posted February 22 10 hours ago, VincentGuerin said: No team in the Championship is currently certain which division they'll be in next season. Of the 42 clubs in the SPFL, there are very few whose seasons are over, and it's almost the end of February. Coming at this totally different and less of a premiership perspective (wrong thread maybe). But responding to what you have said there, that is absolutely awful for player development and forward planning, there should be some teams by roughly this stage certain or near certain they'll be a championship team the following season. Raith Rovers were out the picture way before the season ended at the start of May so had a head start in terms of planning and you can see the benefit of that this year. Top flight is meant to be our 'elite' league so should be smaller than those below it not bigger like it currently is. It's not going back to 10 so those below it should increase, the magic number is not known. I guess it could be done in stages, if X doesn't work after Y years we increase to Z. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sergeant Wilson Posted February 22 Share Posted February 22 11 hours ago, willywastecoat said: When you're posting about big games this isn't true especially this season with sevco,Celtic will have played Hearts,Hibs,Aberdeen and sevco all away from home twice before the split,where as sevco will have only played each team away once,with Aberdeen and Hibs struggling to make the top six they won't play them again. The fixtures have been very kind to sevco this season,the manipulation of the fixtures before the split can put teams down and in trouble plus it can also give teams an advantage over others. And there you have the principal reason why change won't happen. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DiegoDiego Posted February 22 Share Posted February 22 6 hours ago, itzdrk said: Coming at this totally different and less of a premiership perspective (wrong thread maybe). But responding to what you have said there, that is absolutely awful for player development and forward planning, there should be some teams by roughly this stage certain or near certain they'll be a championship team the following season. Raith Rovers were out the picture way before the season ended at the start of May so had a head start in terms of planning and you can see the benefit of that this year. You realise clubs can make more than one plan, right? Interesting to know that Raith's relative success this season is down to a couple of extra weeks of knowing which league they'd be in and not something like having an entirely new board in place. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AJF Posted February 22 Share Posted February 22 7 hours ago, itzdrk said: I read that and thought it was a mental thing to say but when you look at their fixtures against last season's top 6 it isn't 'balanced' in that regard: 2x home v Hearts 2x home v Hibs 2x home v Aberdeen 2x home v Celtic 2x away v St Mirren Fortunately football isn't linear and it'll actually be pretty balanced and fair based on the top 6 staying as is removing Hibs and Aberdeen for: Kilmarnock 2x away Dundee 2x away Reveal hidden contents Hit by accident and can't delete, you wasted your time opening this. I think what @willywastecoat forgets to mention, or deliberately overlooks, is that Celtic found themselves in the exact same scenario the season prior (2 home games v top 6 sides pre-split). It has always been this way, really, due to the way they schedule derby games with it alternating each year. And as you allude to, last season's top 6 means nothing this season if there are other teams now performing better than them that we will need to face away from home post-split. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boo Khaki Posted February 22 Share Posted February 22 16 hours ago, RandomGuy. said: This is Scottish footballs biggest problem, for me. Even Celtic and Rangers seem to lose u16s to English youth sides fairly regularly. I wonder if theres any way you could enforce a rule where only over 16s, or 18s, can move to another country? Cant imagine it would be widely accepted though. No doubt agents would play that system too so it would be even worse. We are truly Through the Looking-Glass. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RawB93 Posted February 22 Share Posted February 22 15 hours ago, DiegoDiego said: I thought there already was, after clubs were filling shipping containers with pubescent Africans then leaving the majority to rot in a strange land after not making the grade. Pretty sure Barcelona got caught and then whined about how they should get away with it as they're "mes que un club" and not at all a bunch of c***s. Mes que un c**t 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derryboy62 Posted February 22 Share Posted February 22 On 20/02/2024 at 08:59, ahemps said: Buying Bournemouth or Notts Forest guarantees you games against Man City, Liverpool, Chelsea etc. which you can bring friends and business partners over to watch and these games have a bit of glamour to it, as much as people on here dismiss the EPL it is the place to be in football. It really isn't the place to be for ordinary fans. The sort of fans that the EPL now attracts are pathetic clowns. The type that react to goals by pulling out their phone and recording themselves pretend celebrating. Sky told you that the EPL is great though so it must be...... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
itzdrk Posted February 22 Share Posted February 22 2 hours ago, DiegoDiego said: You realise clubs can make more than one plan, right? Interesting to know that Raith's relative success this season is down to a couple of extra weeks of knowing which league they'd be in and not something like having an entirely new board in place. They absolutely can do so but for some reason it's very rare anyone actually does anything about it, they were making good signings before the playoffs were even finished though and ages before anyone else got started. I'm sure having a new board didn't have a zero effect (they were announced on the final day of the season) but again they come I'm with clarity about where they will be the following year. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kennie makevin Posted February 22 Share Posted February 22 1 hour ago, Derryboy62 said: It really isn't the place to be for ordinary fans. The sort of fans that the EPL now attracts are pathetic clowns. The type that react to goals by pulling out their phone and recording themselves pretend celebrating. Sky told you that the EPL is great though so it must be...... Wait till you hear what Sky tell you about 'derby day in Glasgow' ! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Urban Spaceman Posted February 22 Share Posted February 22 1 hour ago, Derryboy62 said: It really isn't the place to be for ordinary fans. The sort of fans that the EPL now attracts are pathetic clowns. The type that react to goals by pulling out their phone and recording themselves pretend celebrating. Sky told you that the EPL is great though so it must be...... Agreed on the ordinary fans, Man City want to expand but don't really have the local support to fill it now. Liverpool also have a massive tourist element, there was a punter holding up an ipad last night for pictures. The games gone down their for the ordinary fans given the EPL and Sky protection of the Sly6 hence all the corrupt protests at various clubs (again that Sky have to gloss over). I don't think you can argue it doesn't have the best players, its just not a real competition and run for the benefit of a few clubs (see VAR) similar to up here. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DiegoDiego Posted February 22 Share Posted February 22 2 hours ago, RawB93 said: Mes que un c**t The Dani Alves news just the latest evidence to that. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VincentGuerin Posted February 22 Share Posted February 22 5 hours ago, Derryboy62 said: It really isn't the place to be for ordinary fans. The sort of fans that the EPL now attracts are pathetic clowns. The type that react to goals by pulling out their phone and recording themselves pretend celebrating. Sky told you that the EPL is great though so it must be...... I think you've misunderstood his post. It's completely unarguable that in a general sense the Premier League is 'the place to be' for players, coaches, journalists, analysts, basically anyone connected to the game professionally. If they're not working in the Premier League, they probably wish they were. Same goes for owners. And I think you're being harsh on ordinary fans. There are hundreds of thousands of ordinary fans who go to watch the EPL every week. Get yourself along to somewhere like Aston Villa, Everton, Liverpool, Man City, etc and you'll see thousands of fans just like the fans up here who go along to watch their team every week. The tourists are there, and they tend to get on the telly, but the attendances at English fitba are built on the same kind of people as in Scotland. It's unfair to dismiss those fans. The idea that these grounds are full of foreign tourists every week is just nonsense. It has challenges in terms of the super clubs trying to stamp in the faces of everyone else, but English football culture is as rich and strong as anywhere else in the world. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raidernation Posted February 22 Share Posted February 22 Ideally, both the ugly sisters get done for financial doping or FFP breaches, get deducted hunners of points and end up in the juniors! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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