Which team in Scottish Football has had the most fraud managers?

[dregs 83]

Lee Johnson is the latest in a long line of Hibs managers who strikes me as an absolute charlatan. It got me thinking as to which Scottish club has had the most managers who turned out to be certified frauds in recent times (say since the turn of the century), as the Hibees hit rate seems to be pretty damn impressive.

We’ve had a fair few through the doors at Tannadice in recent years, but I still don’t think we top the tree. If I had to do a non scientific top five I would say

1. Hibs

2. Dundee

3. Rangers (old and new)

4. United

5. Joint Aberdeen and Killie

Skewed to show teams who have predominantly been in the premiership over the last 25 years(happy to be enlightened).

[The_Kincardine]

P&B is almost 20 and this is the diddiest post ever.

[ol1vercloff]

It's not Johnson, it's Hibs. Once all their spice boy city troublemaker players down tools, the manager gets punted. Seen it time and time again.

Do they look toxic?

[pozbaird]

Close thread.

 

[Guest]

The Romanov era for us was some laugh with managers

[Moorie]

Mark Mcghee for sure. The guy pretty much said from day one we were second choice 

[SEETHING]

tbf, Aberdeen are never going to be anyone's first choice. 

[Staggie_93]

Ones that spring to mind in my time following County are Willie McStay and Owen Coyle who were absolute charlatans, and the current manager has also fell into that category.

Edited January 2, 2023 by Staggie_93

[Ludo*1]

Let's go back 20 years for us. We are racking up £20million worth of debt. Signing genuinely world class superstars such as Claudio Caniggia, Temuri Ketsbaia, Fabrizio Ravanelli and players that had recently been capped by the likes of Argentina such as Beto Carranza. After realising, a former player most famous for getting a plate of chicken wings smashed off his coupon by Brian Law was an utter disaster, who did we think would be best placed to take us to the next level? Future Real Madrid manager, Bernd Schuster publicly declares interest, but f**k that, Jim Duffy is the man.

Fast forward to the Scot Gardiner era. Club legend and man that had led us to record runs is unceremoniously punted as we struggle as Club 12 in the Rangers banter years. We go to announce John Bomber Brown but chaos ensues and he and Scot Gardiner have to run to safety instead of announcing the appointment due to fan outrage.

And now the Nelms era. Appoints a good manager in Hartley and rightfully gets rid. Who do we appoint? A football commentator with zero experience of management all because he was a club hero. When he doesn't work out, we give it to a former United hero who tries to bring his mate that tried to kill the club previously. When as expected, it all ends in tears, he is on the Tannadice pitch with a United scarf draped round him giving it the fucking big one.

After that, we give it to a player that had just recently retired through injury because he was just at the club.

And then. Mark fucking McGhee.

These are the notable names but some of these don't feature in the top 5 worst we've had over that period which includes absolute frauds like Gordon Chisholm, Alan Kernaghan & Alex Rae.

Finally, I absolutely adore Jocky Scott. He's one of our biggest ever legends but when we have him the job the third time round, he'd been out the game for a good number of years. The other candidates at that time? Derek McInnes, Michael O'Neill & Craig Brown & Billy Davies (who publicly declared their interest).

If anyone is worse than us with managers, then it must be some fucking nightmare.

 

[Leith Green]

When Johnson is announced binned tomorrow, we will have had Maloney, Gray, Johnson, Gray again, and (presumably) AN Other in a calendar year.

I think the case is closed.

[Dons_1988]

59 minutes ago, Leith Green said:

When Johnson is announced binned tomorrow, we will have had Maloney, Gray, Johnson, Gray again, and (presumably) AN Other in a calendar year.

I think the case is closed.

If it helps, hibs serve as good therapy for those in Aberdeen. 

[DrewDon]

The Bank of Scotland five-a-side team must be right up there. 

[Munoz]

2 hours ago, Ludo*1 said:

Let's go back 20 years for us. We are racking up £20million worth of debt. Signing genuinely world class superstars such as Claudio Caniggia, Temuri Ketsbaia, Fabrizio Ravanelli and players that had recently been capped by the likes of Argentina such as Beto Carranza. After realising, a former player most famous for getting a plate of chicken wings smashed off his coupon by Brian Law was an utter disaster, who did we think would be best placed to take us to the next level? Future Real Madrid manager, Bernd Schuster publicly declares interest, but f**k that, Jim Duffy is the man.

Fast forward to the Scot Gardiner era. Club legend and man that had led us to record runs is unceremoniously punted as we struggle as Club 12 in the Rangers banter years. We go to announce John Bomber Brown but chaos ensues and he and Scot Gardiner have to run to safety instead of announcing the appointment due to fan outrage.

And now the Nelms era. Appoints a good manager in Hartley and rightfully gets rid. Who do we appoint? A football commentator with zero experience of management all because he was a club hero. When he doesn't work out, we give it to a former United hero who tries to bring his mate that tried to kill the club previously. When as expected, it all ends in tears, he is on the Tannadice pitch with a United scarf draped round him giving it the fucking big one.

After that, we give it to a player that had just recently retired through injury because he was just at the club.

And then. Mark fucking McGhee.

These are the notable names but some of these don't feature in the top 5 worst we've had over that period which includes absolute frauds like Gordon Chisholm, Alan Kernaghan & Alex Rae.

Finally, I absolutely adore Jocky Scott. He's one of our biggest ever legends but when we have him the job the third time round, he'd been out the game for a good number of years. The other candidates at that time? Derek McInnes, Michael O'Neill & Craig Brown & Billy Davies (who publicly declared their interest).

If anyone is worse than us with managers, then it must be some fucking nightmare.

 

F*ck me, when you're reminded of other teams recent history it can make your own seem subdued (which the last 30 years hasn't been).

[tamthebam]

Motherwell have had some right chancers in the manager's seat but have managed to survive despite everything.

Perhaps not having too high expectations (and good timing when sacking them) helps. 

[Kyle Reese]

3 hours ago, Moorie said:

Mark Mcghee for sure. The guy pretty much said from day one we were second choice 

I cant stand Aberdeen, and that annoyed even me. Legend player, gets manager’s job… slithers about talking about how much he loves a rival club. Total p***k.

[Flybhoy]

3 hours ago, Leith Green said:

When Johnson is announced binned tomorrow, we will have had Maloney, Gray, Johnson, Gray again, and (presumably) AN Other in a calendar year.

I think the case is closed.

Followed by Neil Lennon again. 

[Sarto Mutiny]

We had Jackie McNamara, who supercedes any shit managers anyone else might have had.

The rest of you can come back when you have had a manager so incompetent he relegated two clubs in one season.

Edited January 3, 2023 by Sarto Mutiny

[philpy]

Claude anelka. Close the thread, thank you.

[ATLIS]

We've had a good rollercoaster:

2003, we appoint British football's first Brazilian coach, a guy that coached Ronaldo and Ronaldinho the Brazil youth teams. He resigns after 9 games. Remarkably David Hay takes over that side and wins the League Cup, and promptly leaves the club at the end of his contract. 

Allan Preston steps in and is sacked with a 22% win rate and 7 defeats in a row. Richard Gough takes over and we stay up by way of Hassan Kachloul somehow. Gough then resigns.

Surely we've learned our lesson right? Nope. Paul Lambert takes over as player manager, a guy that's played with Celtic, Borussia Dortmund and a Champions League winner. He never intended to play for us, yet makes 7 appearances in his 32 game spell. 15.63% win rate. One of the all time worst top flight showings by any club in Scotland. 

Relegation should give us some stability and a base to build from... right? From 2006-2009 7 different people had taken charge of first team affairs in one way or another at Livingston. Roughly one every 5 months or so. 

Batshit Italian time. If it wasn't bad enough that we had spun the managerial carousel into hyperdrive, we had some Italian spice in the mix too. A group of Italians who come in making grand claims about Livingston as Scotland's third force. They install their own man, Roberto Landi who gets the sack after losing 2-1 to East Stirlingshire in the Scottish Cup after 5 months. He leaves with a 55% win rate and a manager of the month trophy for August.  In the middle of this we go into financial turmoil, decide it's funny not to pay our bills. Get our power cut off, Massone calls for the fans to raise funds. £149.50 is raised towards the £32,000 bill. 

Landi's replacement? Paul Hegarty, who is sacked without even being told. Literally locked out the stadium by Massone. The official line was that he was 'suspended' by the club. Massone perhaps ahead of his time claims it would've been best to take the club 'to the wall' and restart as the same club but with zero debts.

In a face saving quote he says "No, the debts would have to be paid, especially in a small working community" - how admirable(?). Oh wait, he also says this " The truth is that there are other plans. Livingston will have to remain a small club and the stadium will become a big shopping centre.". He somehow manages to also come out with this "I had decided to say nothing until today mainly for respect towards the Livingston supporters who loved me and who are still the vast majority."

With the Italians gone you'd think maybe, just maybe there'd be some stability? Finally? Well, we've been demoted to the third tier (again ahead of our time apparently) and get back to back promotions/titles under Gary Bollan. 2012 beckons and he's sacked. From 2012-2014 we send the carousel back into hyperdrive and see 6 managers take the first team within a two year spell. 

A spell from John Hughes, a P&B all time favourite in these threads calls to us. Recently sacked from Hibs, he seems like a decent enough candidate. He talks about building long term. Tells a fan if he doesn't like his football then to go shopping with their wife on Saturdays from now on. The football incidentally was eye-bleeding. He leaves for Hartlepool after 9 months. 

Gareth Evans, sacked after 3 months. Richie Burke, gone after 7. Even John McGlynn survives only just over a year.

Player manager Mark Burchill seems to just about get by, we have a great escape season and win the Challenge Cup which was decent. Sacked after a year with us hanging about the bottom end of the table. 

Uninspiringly he's replaced by his assistant, David Hopkin who promptly takes us down following an all-time disasterclass playoff performance where we lose to Stranraer 5-2 in the first leg. All but done right? No. An 89th minute goal and a 94th minute goal see us draw the tie level. To then collapse and lose two goals and get emptied down to League 1. The main stand is filled with abuse towards the team and Hopkin, Hopkin is told to never show his face at the club again by some fans  

Fans are raging at the fact that he's then appointed manager on a full time basis. We then go on a fairy-tale romp to win League 1 and then shitfest our way to winning the playoffs. Right. Eventually stability, right? Naw. Hopkin decides his work here is done and just fucks off with no job in place. 

Step forward the 4-4-Kenny Formation. Kenny Miller ladies and gentlemen. A very odd period for us where it looks as though we're destined to go down. The interview process came down to 2 candidates, Kenny Miller and Gary Holt. We went with Kenny Miller due to his ability to be a player as well as a manager, we then ask him about 3 months in to stop playing, and he says no. So we just end up going back to Holt....?

We eventually do get our stability (so far) under Martindale who replaces Holt at least. As of a few days ago Martindale has become one of only 4 Livi managers to manage a spell containing 4 different years. Ray Stewart 97-00, Jim Leishman 00-03, Gary Bollan 09-12, Martindale 20-23

Edited January 3, 2023 by ATLIS

[jamamafegan]

It's a Scottish football problem. There is a giant manager merry-go-round consisting of failed managers and old dinosaurs that the majority of clubs look to every time they need a new manager. It's truly tragic. I think Scottish football needs more foreign managers. I don't believe for a second there aren't foreign managers out there that wouldn't want to ply their trade here. No more dinosaurs and English league jobbers. If anything it might make our league football more interesting and technical instead of playing horrific hoofball.