BucksburnDandy Posted April 29 Share Posted April 29 What a brutal state Sturgeon left the SNP in. Yousaf was out of his depth, albeit a genuinely decent guy when he officially opened my place of employment last year. Swinney v Forbes is a fairly miserable choice. Swinney was pretty much rubbish apart from his spells in the finance brief and his first spell as leader was a dreadful time for the SNP. Forbes holds some dreadful social views, throwing away a routine win last year by airing these in public. The state of politics in Scotland just now is grim. The SNP are out of ideas. The Greens are more interested in culture wars than actually being a proper green party. Alba are full of absolute moon howlers and it's sad to see what Alex Salmond has become given he was pretty comfortably the best FM to date (obviously sleepy cuddles overshadows that). Then on the Unionist side, the Tories are their usual hopeless selves, the Lib Dems are a pressure group of shy Tories. Labour can't hold a policy position for any length of time about anything. No doubt if Keith was in number 10 and Sarwar in Bute House, we'd have government by diktat of Ian Murray on the phone from London like the good old days of Jack McConnell being the admin for Gordon Brown. What a shite state of affairs 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
itzdrk Posted April 29 Share Posted April 29 2 hours ago, BFTD said: We could probably do with getting the inevitable Forbes out of the way now, rather than another "safe pair of hands". We all know it's coming eventually, whether it's her or one of the Abla crew, and it'll go about as well as you'd imagine. Folk have mentioned Humza Youseless being our Liz Truss, but he's more of an Iain Duncan-Smith or Theresa May figure - the proper lunacy is still to come. I'm sorta with you on Forbes, I guess if it does happen it's only 18 months or so until they inevitably lose the Holyrood election. It feels like it's going to happen one day so maybe this is the best time for it. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alta-pete Posted April 29 Share Posted April 29 25 minutes ago, welshbairn said: I may be entering the world of mysogeny by pointing out that the Tory deputy leader Meghan Gallagher on the Nine on BBC Scotland appears to have borrowed Groucho Marx's eyebrows. I don’t know; decent tits? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tamthebam Posted April 29 Share Posted April 29 1 minute ago, alta-pete said: I don’t know; decent tits? Tories are tits but none of them are decent 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Highlandmagar Posted April 30 Share Posted April 30 8 hours ago, CarrbridgeSaintee said: Labour Hahahaha. The joke of the century! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GHF-23 Posted April 30 Share Posted April 30 12 hours ago, MazzyStar said: Wtf Yeah this had me wondering as well, the SNP were understood very recently as the pro-Independence centrist party. I guess the coalition with a more progressive liberal party has effected that but I still wonder what people mean when they want the SNP to be more centrist. They still very much are! They accept the economic orthodoxy of austerity as default, they are fairly anti-democratic at both a local and national level, internally and externally. They accept that they have no power to meaningfully overhaul social or economic iniquities within the polity and instead fiddle at the margins based on what some well-meaning but short-sighted academics, pressure groups or party interests think is a good idea and which they think will be popular, wasting quite a lot of money in the process. The things which differentiate them from say the New Labour government is there is no overflow from growth which can allow for a better standard of public services, and to their credit an unwillingness to phone up the Sunday Times whenever the polls are looking bad and say they want to tag asylum seekers or mandate shops having those high pitched noise things to stop teenagers hanging about. They are of course small time authoritarians in other ways as we saw with COVID or the increasingly pathetic lifestyle choices bans and taxes. This is what centrism is, and it will continue as we go through this potentially very long period of reduced growth and an end to cheap abundance as we know it up to and past the point that you look out the window (of your poorly made and ruinously expensive house that you can't do anything about because regulation was slashed to encourage house builders) and notice the road is now one big pothole, the library is only open 1 day a week, the high tech self-driving ambulances we outsourced keep crashing into pedestrians and isn't it strange that all the asylum seekers and homeless people just disappeared. That's if the country doesn't realise after a term of catastro-Keir that this is where we're going and instead decide to jump off in favour of the reconstituted ultra-reactionary Conservative and Reform Party. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VictorOnopko Posted April 30 Share Posted April 30 9 hours ago, welshbairn said: I may be entering the world of mysogeny by pointing out that the Tory deputy leader Meghan Gallagher on the Nine on BBC Scotland appears to have borrowed Groucho Marx's eyebrows. It'd be on trend with her party at Westminster under Rishi T. Firefly (it's just a shame so many of the Mrs Teasdales they've taken money from have been Russians): The last man nearly ruined this place, He didn't know what to do with it. If you think this country's bad off now, Just wait 'till I get through with it. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vikingTON Posted April 30 Share Posted April 30 (edited) 12 hours ago, Granny Danger said: Homophobia “not particularly consequential”? I'm sure that there have been plenty of 'homophobes' in the SNP membership and indeed among some elected politicians too. Not to mention the decades of frothing about the Souter's views as major financial backers of the party and the cause of Scottish independence. As there would be in almost every party - because Scotland is a far more socially conservative society beneath the veneer of middle class inclusivity. None of that has stopped political and state recognition of homosexuality being firmly established under the Scottish Parliament and 17 years of SNP government. So yes, their views* are in fact not particularly consequential to the politics of the time. * And not all opposition to a policy like same-sex marriage is based on 'homophobia' either. Edited April 30 by vikingTON 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
itzdrk Posted April 30 Share Posted April 30 13 hours ago, MazzyStar said: Wtf Two absolutely insane comments. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GHF-23 Posted April 30 Share Posted April 30 Quick babe Brian Souter's been mentioned you have to post the worst outfit of all time 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leith Green Posted April 30 Share Posted April 30 Some of the replies to this tweet.......... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vikingTON Posted April 30 Share Posted April 30 59 minutes ago, GHF-23 said: Yeah this had me wondering as well, the SNP were understood very recently as the pro-Independence centrist party. I guess the coalition with a more progressive liberal party has effected that but I still wonder what people mean when they want the SNP to be more centrist. They still very much are! They accept the economic orthodoxy of austerity as default, they are fairly anti-democratic at both a local and national level, internally and externally. They accept that they have no power to meaningfully overhaul social or economic iniquities within the polity and instead fiddle at the margins based on what some well-meaning but short-sighted academics, pressure groups or party interests think is a good idea and which they think will be popular, wasting quite a lot of money in the process. The things which differentiate them from say the New Labour government is there is no overflow from growth which can allow for a better standard of public services, and to their credit an unwillingness to phone up the Sunday Times whenever the polls are looking bad and say they want to tag asylum seekers or mandate shops having those high pitched noise things to stop teenagers hanging about. They are of course small time authoritarians in other ways as we saw with COVID or the increasingly pathetic lifestyle choices bans and taxes. This is what centrism is, and it will continue as we go through this potentially very long period of reduced growth and an end to cheap abundance as we know it up to and past the point that you look out the window (of your poorly made and ruinously expensive house that you can't do anything about because regulation was slashed to encourage house builders) and notice the road is now one big pothole, the library is only open 1 day a week, the high tech self-driving ambulances we outsourced keep crashing into pedestrians and isn't it strange that all the asylum seekers and homeless people just disappeared. That's if the country doesn't realise after a term of catastro-Keir that this is where we're going and instead decide to jump off in favour of the reconstituted ultra-reactionary Conservative and Reform Party. The Greens are not even remotely liberal and 'centrist' is not actually the coherent doctrine you are trying to construct. Just because a political party is to the right of what you consider to be progressive does not make them automatically the centre. It does not make two completely different parties part of a uniting ideology or approach to government either. The 'economic orthodoxy' from which fiscal cuts has been an offshoot in the UK and other countries since 2010 is fundamentally 'recognised' by countless parties of the centre left. Perhaps you should retrace the fortunes of our very own 'Scottish Syriza' party (RISE) to see how this tying of socio-economic fundamentalism to independence fared with the Scottish electorate. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BFTD Posted April 30 Share Posted April 30 10 minutes ago, Leith Green said: Some of the replies to this tweet.......... Can be summarised as "YOU'RE THE REAL RACIST GET BACK TO YOUR OWN COUNTRY EVERY BRITTISH PERSON AGREES WITH ME" The "everyone agrees with me" bit is so common among racists. Life must be very confusing for them. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leith Green Posted April 30 Share Posted April 30 Just now, BFTD said: Can be summarised as "YOU'RE THE REAL RACIST GET BACK TO YOUR OWN COUNTRY EVERY BRITTISH PERSON AGREES WITH ME" The "everyone agrees with me" bit is so common among racists. Life must be very confusing for them. I saw a - truly - incredible tweet from 30p Lee yesterday. In a normal society we would be shaking our heads that he was deputy leader of a mainstream political party until recently. An out and out racist. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BFTD Posted April 30 Share Posted April 30 8 minutes ago, Leith Green said: I saw a - truly - incredible tweet from 30p Lee yesterday. In a normal society we would be shaking our heads that he was deputy leader of a mainstream political party until recently. An out and out racist. Racism's acceptable again; you just pretend that everyone gets called a racist and you're cushty. "Meaningless, innit". It's quite funny that the word still holds such power that racists react with horror when their dictionary-definition views are correctly labelled thus. I was sure they'd have proudly reclaimed it by now. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scary Bear Posted April 30 Share Posted April 30 5 hours ago, Leith Green said: Some of the replies to this tweet.......... If your life doesn’t happen on social media, does it happen at all? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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