SNP Lies, Corruption and Hypocrisy- add them here

[lichtgilphead]

21 hours ago, Jedi2 said:

As is ever the case in politics, its all about the 'optics'.

Of course government ministers are 'allowed' to delete WhatsApp about cats, the weather, or nasty things they said to each other about Boris, and no, these shouldn't be subject to FOI 

However, the public is still entitled to know what lay behind the government's decision making process, and here, its not a good look, to say the least, that said messages were either deleted, or 'we didn't use WhatsApp for govt business' after both calling for an enquiry, and promising that all relevant info would be made available. The Dentist is currently not covering himself in glory 

'But, but, the Tories deleted their messages as well' or 'but, but, we handled Covid better than Wastemonster' doesn't cut it.

So Jedi, what would you expect the deleted messages to disclose?

Perhaps Sturgeon "wanted to let the bodies pile high"  like Boris Johnson?

Perhaps Jason Leitch ignored scientific advice, like Rishi Sunak's disastrous 'eat out to help out' scheme?

Perhaps didgy PPE contracts were handed out to SNP cronies on the basis of WhatsApp requests?

Even though the Tories deleted their messages, we know that Westminster was guilty of all 3 things I mention above

What are you (and others) suggesting that the SNP did wrongly? The silence is deafening.

Are you just trying to manufacture some 'SNPbaaaaad' outrage?

[vikingTON]

3 minutes ago, lichtgilphead said:

So Jedi, what would you expect the deleted messages to disclose?

Perhaps Sturgeon "wanted to let the bodies pile high"  like Boris Johnson?

Perhaps Jason Leitch ignored scientific advice, like Rishi Sunak's disastrous 'eat out to help out' scheme?

Perhaps didgy PPE contracts were handed out to SNP cronies on the basis of WhatsApp requests?

Even though the Tories deleted their messages, we know that Westminster was guilty of all 3 things I mention above

What are you (and others) suggesting that the SNP did wrongly? The silence is deafening.

Are you just trying to manufacture some 'SNPbaaaaad' outrage?

This attempt at deflection is really, really pathetic, and typical of the death spiral stage of the SNP in power. 

[SandyCromarty]

Just as more shite is thrown at Trump by the Democrats and the US media and establishment the stronger his support becomes.

The same applies with the SNP as the tories and unionist fools think they have more rubbish that will bring the SNP vote down the more determined the SNP voters and right minded Scots become.

[Inanimate Carbon Rod]

2 hours ago, lichtgilphead said:

So Jedi, what would you expect the deleted messages to disclose?

Perhaps Sturgeon "wanted to let the bodies pile high"  like Boris Johnson?

Perhaps Jason Leitch ignored scientific advice, like Rishi Sunak's disastrous 'eat out to help out' scheme?

Perhaps didgy PPE contracts were handed out to SNP cronies on the basis of WhatsApp requests?

Even though the Tories deleted their messages, we know that Westminster was guilty of all 3 things I mention above

What are you (and others) suggesting that the SNP did wrongly? The silence is deafening.

Are you just trying to manufacture some 'SNPbaaaaad' outrage?

Im pretty sure this is the thread about the snp fucking up. As reprehensible as ‘let the bodies pile high’ is, it has the same effect as ‘lets ship people testing positive into nursing homes’ had so can we have a wee bit less of the simp outrage. 

[sophia]

1 minute ago, Inanimate Carbon Rod said:

Im pretty sure this is the thread about the snp fucking up. As reprehensible as ‘let the bodies pile high’ is, it has the same effect as ‘lets ship people testing positive into nursing homes’ had so can we have a wee bit less of the simp outrage. 

If you're happy with a c thread pile on, that's great, fill your boots jack. I'm much more comfortable with at least some debate. 

I'm sure there's important lessons to be learned with the enquiry but how people chose to store or not store informal messages is not one of them. 

Also the reductive patter about care homes, I'd like to think it says more about your posting shtick in this context rather then your comprehension in general. 

[Inanimate Carbon Rod]

6 minutes ago, sophia said:

If you're happy with a c thread pile on, that's great, fill your boots jack. I'm much more comfortable with at least some debate. 

I'm sure there's important lessons to be learned with the enquiry but how people chose to store or not store informal messages is not one of them. 

Also the reductive patter about care homes, I'd like to think it says more about your posting shtick in this context rather then your comprehension in general. 

A thread pile on? Get a grip. People at the heart of decision making in one of the most politically significant periods of modern history, who are supposed to maintain records have openly admitted to deleting records. Its significant. Reductive patter? It actually fucking happened, and if you’re so blinded by party loyalty to these people then that says more about you than anyone else posting here. We’ve got Lovejoygilphead giving it ‘but wont someone think of the tories’ as if the snp are some kind of infallible majestic force who only act for the greater good, even beside the deletion of whatsapps, we’ve got prominent public health figures speaking at the enquiry confirming that Scottish Government Officials essentially locked down harder to show they cared more than the English lockdown. Save us the pearl clutching and take off the rose coloured glasses, its actually tiresome. Every single politician and public sector worker at the strategic level of this should be open and transparent about their actions.   

[sophia]

2 minutes ago, Inanimate Carbon Rod said:

A thread pile on? Get a grip. People at the heart of decision making in one of the most politically significant periods of modern history, who are supposed to maintain records have openly admitted to deleting records. Its significant. Reductive patter? It actually fucking happened, and if you’re so blinded by party loyalty to these people then that says more about you than anyone else posting here. We’ve got Lovejoygilphead giving it ‘but wont someone think of the tories’ as if the snp are some kind of infallible majestic force who only act for the greater good, even beside the deletion of whatsapps, we’ve got prominent public health figures speaking at the enquiry confirming that Scottish Government Officials essentially locked down harder to show they cared more than the English lockdown. Save us the pearl clutching and take off the rose coloured glasses, its actually tiresome. Every single politician and public sector worker at the strategic level of this should be open and transparent about their actions.   

and breathe 

[Inanimate Carbon Rod]

10 minutes ago, sophia said:

and breathe 

Aye just you make light whilst they lead you blindly into oblivion. 

[Freedom Farter]

9 hours ago, Inanimate Carbon Rod said:

we’ve got prominent public health figures speaking at the enquiry confirming that Scottish Government Officials essentially locked down harder to show they cared more than the English lockdown

Who was that? Devi Sridhar has said the opposite, that the heightened lockdown in Scotland was due to objective not shallow reasons, that it was done following experts' advice.

Edit: Mark Woolhouse. I've read it now.

Edited January 25 by Freedom Farter

[vikingTON]

2 hours ago, sophia said:

If you're happy with a c thread pile on, that's great, fill your boots jack. I'm much more comfortable with at least some debate. 

I'm sure there's important lessons to be learned with the enquiry but how people chose to store or not store informal messages is not one of them. 

Also the reductive patter about care homes, I'd like to think it says more about your posting shtick in this context rather then your comprehension in general. 

A) It's up to the public enquiry to determine what messages are 'informal' and not relevant to their task. There's no evidence to suggest that they're really bothered about filtering through Sturgeon's shite book club tips in a group chat. 

B) It's not a decision of choosing how to store material - it is automatically stored. As anybody with the exact same technology (>85% of the population) knows.

The decision is in fact about how (and whether) to manually delete information within government work groups. Which when you were giving it big licks about the need for full transparency and an enquiry back when Reckless Toooooaaarrries Were To Blame, is an absolutely abysmal look. 

The Westminster government are unquestionably guilty of incompetence and deceit. The SG are under scrutiny for both but the additional charge of total hypocrisy is entirely sustained by the conduct of the First Minister throughout the pandemic and her arrogant advisors..

Edited January 24 by vikingTON

[vikingTON]

3 hours ago, SandyCromarty said:

Just as more shite is thrown at Trump by the Democrats and the US media and establishment the stronger his support becomes.

The same applies with the SNP as the tories and unionist fools think they have more rubbish that will bring the SNP vote down the more determined the SNP voters and right minded Scots become.

Erm yes, because comparing the wagon-circling brigade in Scotland to deniers of a verified election outcome and instigators of an attempted coup is just a terrific argument in support of your 'point'. 

 

[Inanimate Carbon Rod]

32 minutes ago, virginton said:

A) It's up to the public enquiry to determine what messages are 'informal' and not relevant to their task. There's no evidence to suggest that they're really bothered about filtering through Sturgeon's shite book club tips in a group chat. 
 

a few years ago a group of rookie police officers were sacked for basically talking nonsense in a whatsapp group chat, the long and short of it came to a legal finding that their use of whatsapp wasnt subject to an expectation of privacy. So we have now a basis that in the public sector, misconduct can indeed include the content of whatsapp messages. Whilst im not actually looking for a fishing exercise to look at if Nicola was calling Hancock a p***k, its very unsettling that they hold the power to delete that and deem it unnecessary in their sphere, if there was even the briefest discussion of government policy, motivation for policy or indeed rejecting any ideas then its relevant to the scope of the hearings. 

32 minutes ago, virginton said:

B) It's not a decision of choosing how to store material - it is automatically stored. As anybody with the exact same technology (>85% of the population) knows.

The decision is in fact about how (and whether) to manually delete information within government work groups. Which when you were giving it big licks about the need for full transparency and an enquiry back when Reckless Toooooaaarrries Were To Blame, is an absolutely abysmal look. 

The Westminster government are unquestionably guilty of incompetence and deceit. The SG are under scrutiny for both but the additional charge of total hypocrisy is entirely sustained by the conduct of the First Minister throughout the pandemic and her arrogant advisors..

Absolutely! Its quite chilling listening to Prof Woolhouse giving evidence that so much of the summer 2020 measures were unnecessary given the dramatic issues it caused so many, people taking their lives because of the mental health impact of lockdown, children losing out on socialisation (this is very apparent amongst kids now, those missing months has had a big impact), people missing out on in person medical appointments/missing treatment for cancers which could have been cured etc. All of this before you go on to look at the social and economic impacts has changed so much and if we cant go into this inquiry with the full facts then whats the point? 

[Richey Edwards]

Nicola Sturgeon is evil.

[Melanius Mullarkey]

27 minutes ago, Richey Edwards said:

Nicola Sturgeon is evil.

Consulate groin.

Makes you think.

[Bairnardo]

It's almost understandable that wanting independence might lead one to afford an easy ride to the only party that wants it, but the pandemic was the biggest single event/intervention of govt in almost everyone's lives and to sit here now and see the scale of contempt in which ut turns out we (the voting, taxpaying public) are held by these people supercedes any political ideal for me. 

[Billy Jean King]

8 hours ago, Inanimate Carbon Rod said:

a few years ago a group of rookie police officers were sacked for basically talking nonsense in a whatsapp group chat, the long and short of it came to a legal finding that their use of whatsapp wasnt subject to an expectation of privacy. So we have now a basis that in the public sector, misconduct can indeed include the content of whatsapp messages. Whilst im not actually looking for a fishing exercise to look at if Nicola was calling Hancock a p***k, its very unsettling that they hold the power to delete that and deem it unnecessary in their sphere, if there was even the briefest discussion of government policy, motivation for policy or indeed rejecting any ideas then its relevant to the scope of the hearings. 

Absolutely! Its quite chilling listening to Prof Woolhouse giving evidence that so much of the summer 2020 measures were unnecessary given the dramatic issues it caused so many, people taking their lives because of the mental health impact of lockdown, children losing out on socialisation (this is very apparent amongst kids now, those missing months has had a big impact), people missing out on in person medical appointments/missing treatment for cancers which could have been cured etc. All of this before you go on to look at the social and economic impacts has changed so much and if we cant go into this inquiry with the full facts then whats the point? 

I still can't get my head round why just about every local authority in Scotland makes conducting official business by WhatsApp and the likes a disciplinary offence yet the Scottish Govt itself deems it perfectly acceptable. The whole thing stinks of double standards. 

[RuMoore]

12 hours ago, sophia said:

If you're happy with a c thread pile on, that's great, fill your boots jack. I'm much more comfortable with at least some debate. 

I'm sure there's important lessons to be learned with the enquiry but how people chose to store or not store informal messages is not one of them. 

Also the reductive patter about care homes, I'd like to think it says more about your posting shtick in this context rather then your comprehension in general. 

 

11 hours ago, Inanimate Carbon Rod said:

A thread pile on? Get a grip. People at the heart of decision making in one of the most politically significant periods of modern history, who are supposed to maintain records have openly admitted to deleting records. Its significant. Reductive patter? It actually fucking happened, and if you’re so blinded by party loyalty to these people then that says more about you than anyone else posting here. We’ve got Lovejoygilphead giving it ‘but wont someone think of the tories’ as if the snp are some kind of infallible majestic force who only act for the greater good, even beside the deletion of whatsapps, we’ve got prominent public health figures speaking at the enquiry confirming that Scottish Government Officials essentially locked down harder to show they cared more than the English lockdown. Save us the pearl clutching and take off the rose coloured glasses, its actually tiresome. Every single politician and public sector worker at the strategic level of this should be open and transparent about their actions.   

 

11 hours ago, sophia said:

and breathe 

[Left Back]

25 minutes ago, Billy Jean King said:

I still can't get my head round why just about every local authority in Scotland makes conducting official business by WhatsApp and the likes a disciplinary offence yet the Scottish Govt itself deems it perfectly acceptable. The whole thing stinks of double standards. 

https://www.gov.scot/publications/foi-202300382914/

Even the guidance is confusing.  I'm interpreting that as it should be used for official info only (even though it's talking about social and business contact).  It then goes on to say it will be subject to FOI (which to me means should be recoverable and also implies official business) and then says it's not the official record and you should delete them which contradicts the above.

[Left Back]

14 hours ago, lichtgilphead said:

So Jedi, what would you expect the deleted messages to disclose?

Perhaps Sturgeon "wanted to let the bodies pile high"  like Boris Johnson?

Perhaps Jason Leitch ignored scientific advice, like Rishi Sunak's disastrous 'eat out to help out' scheme?

Perhaps didgy PPE contracts were handed out to SNP cronies on the basis of WhatsApp requests?

Even though the Tories deleted their messages, we know that Westminster was guilty of all 3 things I mention above

What are you (and others) suggesting that the SNP did wrongly? The silence is deafening.

Are you just trying to manufacture some 'SNPbaaaaad' outrage?

Mark Woolhouse is suggesting they ignored scientific advice.

https://news.sky.com/story/scottish-government-would-not-accept-covid-was-here-to-stay-uk-inquiry-hears-13055424

[Inanimate Carbon Rod]

1 hour ago, Billy Jean King said:

I still can't get my head round why just about every local authority in Scotland makes conducting official business by WhatsApp and the likes a disciplinary offence yet the Scottish Govt itself deems it perfectly acceptable. The whole thing stinks of double standards. 

Yep! The Scottish Government has been screaming about holding just about everyone to account but when it comes to them being accountable its bluster and deflection. We all know the Tories are scum and labour are impotent, thats not what this is about despite the cult members desperately clutching. Most of us on here have regularly voted SNP, many of all our lives, that people still are so blinded by loyalty to them that they see it as some kind of Westminster led attack is insulting to voters with a brain.