54_and_counting Posted April 6, 2023 Share Posted April 6, 2023 3 hours ago, ScotiaNostra said: imo, Its that constant oh the tories are worse has allwoed the SNP to drop standards The tories should be called out but when it becomes an easy way to deflect the snps own poor policy, ways of working or generally just taking voters for granted. That isnt helping indpendence or the SNP in the long term It clearly has helped the SNP as they have stayed in power now for over a decade with little to show for it Everytime something bad happens up here they simply point to a bigger squirrel in the basketcase down south and the votes keep flooding in for them f**k do they even want independence, at least the now they can stay in power and blame down south for anything and a good chunk of their followers will believe in no matter what, 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carpetmonster Posted April 6, 2023 Share Posted April 6, 2023 3 hours ago, Ludo*1 said: It's Jackie Baillie that thinks there are bodies in the garden: Jackie seems awfully cheerful; do you think she misheard him and thought he said ‘big pie’? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trogdor Posted April 6, 2023 Share Posted April 6, 2023 23 minutes ago, carpetmonster said: Jackie seems awfully cheerful; do you think she misheard him and thought he said ‘big pie’? Mods, fat shaming. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ScotiaNostra Posted April 6, 2023 Share Posted April 6, 2023 Do you think it could be that someone in SNP threw Murrell to the wolves after the new leadership came in, maybe coming in and seeing some possible wrongdoing and deciding feck this we need to distance ourselves from this and flag it now or we will get taken down with it later if we dont? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim McLean's Ghost Posted April 6, 2023 Share Posted April 6, 2023 5 hours ago, Eddie Hitler said: Yeah, they were asking for it really, eh> No. My point was there is no inference that the money was to be used for an official independence campaign. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Blades Posted April 6, 2023 Share Posted April 6, 2023 Usual unionists creaming their filthy underpants over anything that may damage the Indy movement, as I’ve already said, any wrongdoing needs investigated & punished. Whether that will affect Independence in the long run, is probably up for debate, but I doubt it. The current SNP leadership need to clamp down and ensure they are clean from now on, no excuse & totally cooperate with any investigation. SNP aren’t the independence movement but they are a huge part of it. 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Connolly Posted April 6, 2023 Share Posted April 6, 2023 2 hours ago, Trogdor said: Mods, fat shaming. Doesn't work. Jackie Baillie has no shame 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trogdor Posted April 6, 2023 Share Posted April 6, 2023 Just now, Mark Connolly said: Doesn't work. Jackie Baillie has no shame 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Theyellowbox Posted April 6, 2023 Share Posted April 6, 2023 5 hours ago, 54_and_counting said: It clearly has helped the SNP as they have stayed in power now for over a decade with little to show for it Everytime something bad happens up here they simply point to a bigger squirrel in the basketcase down south and the votes keep flooding in for them f**k do they even want independence, at least the now they can stay in power and blame down south for anything and a good chunk of their followers will believe in no matter what, All of that is true. The SNP can easily (and always does) point to down south and how much worse it is/can be down there. All sides need to do better in both how they govern and about the whataboutery. It's a mirror of what we see all around us, beit Rangers/Celtic Left/Right. If anyone is only pro independence because of the SNP alone, then they are a fool. You should not have your identity defined due to any political party/football club etc. Anyone who does is weak and foolish. Be pro independence because you think it is right. Be pro union because you think it is right. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
renton Posted April 7, 2023 Share Posted April 7, 2023 15 hours ago, 54_and_counting said: It clearly has helped the SNP as they have stayed in power now for over a decade with little to show for it Everytime something bad happens up here they simply point to a bigger squirrel in the basketcase down south and the votes keep flooding in for them f**k do they even want independence, at least the now they can stay in power and blame down south for anything and a good chunk of their followers will believe in no matter what, This is only part of it. The fact is that devolution is not independence. The UK government sets the agenda and budget, controls the apportionment of available funds, controls the structure of the various UK wide agencies that ScotGov can only tinker around the edges on. No surprise then that the debate often becomes a zero sum case around who governs best, because in the majority of cases ScotGov is compelled to follow what UK Gov are doing but with some variation allowed. Those differences swallow up the entire debate. Devolution is like being a sound engineer recording a band. Yeah, you can change it so the bass is a big higher in the mix, but you can't fundamentally alter the tune being played by the band. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leith Green Posted April 7, 2023 Share Posted April 7, 2023 Check out the state of this radge...still seething from his contempt conviction, he now demands answers in an investigation where nobody has been charged Fucking Minter 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
O'Kelly Isley III Posted April 7, 2023 Share Posted April 7, 2023 1 hour ago, renton said: This is only part of it. The fact is that devolution is not independence. The UK government sets the agenda and budget, controls the apportionment of available funds, controls the structure of the various UK wide agencies that ScotGov can only tinker around the edges on. No surprise then that the debate often becomes a zero sum case around who governs best, because in the majority of cases ScotGov is compelled to follow what UK Gov are doing but with some variation allowed. Those differences swallow up the entire debate. Devolution is like being a sound engineer recording a band. Yeah, you can change it so the bass is a big higher in the mix, but you can't fundamentally alter the tune being played by the band. Yes, but you can pull the plug on the band 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sherrif John Bunnell Posted April 7, 2023 Share Posted April 7, 2023 39 minutes ago, Leith Green said: Check out the state of this radge...still seething from his contempt conviction, he now demands answers in an investigation where nobody has been charged Fucking Minter I'm assuming there is some poor Officer Karen at his local station that has to listen to his nonsense on a regular basis. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted April 7, 2023 Share Posted April 7, 2023 44 minutes ago, Leith Green said: Check out the state of this radge...still seething from his contempt conviction, he now demands answers in an investigation where nobody has been charged Fucking Minter Can you imagine the accusations of political interference the police would have got if they'd raided the Murrells in the middle of the leadership election campaign? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trogdor Posted April 7, 2023 Share Posted April 7, 2023 I don't think the question of who in the government knew what relating to this and when they knew it is a particularly objectionable one. Given it involved the party of government, it is nigh on essential in the interests of transparency. If there was no forewarning a statement from Police Scotland would suffice. In the absence of any such statement, the moonhowlers/those with axes to grind will howl about dodgy doings and foul play. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leith Green Posted April 7, 2023 Share Posted April 7, 2023 21 minutes ago, Trogdor said: If there was no forewarning a statement from Police Scotland would suffice Police Scotland stated on Wednesday that there was no advance warning to Sturgeon and Murrell...... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted April 7, 2023 Share Posted April 7, 2023 20 minutes ago, Trogdor said: I don't think the question of who in the government knew what relating to this and when they knew it is a particularly objectionable one. Given it involved the party of government, it is nigh on essential in the interests of transparency. If there was no forewarning a statement from Police Scotland would suffice. In the absence of any such statement, the moonhowlers/those with axes to grind will howl about dodgy doings and foul play. The Lord Advocate's the person to ask, whatever she says won't satisfy the moonhowlers though. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leith Green Posted April 7, 2023 Share Posted April 7, 2023 54 minutes ago, welshbairn said: Can you imagine the accusations of political interference the police would have got if they'd raided the Murrells in the middle of the leadership election campaign? Yep, this is the key point for me. In among the bams stating that Police Scotland and The Crown Office colluded with Sturgeon and Murrell to fix the leadership election, its kinda been lost that an arrest during the election period would have been seen as a purely political one. The twitter crazies view of this is interesting......I mean, suggesting that the polis and crown office (both must have at least 50% of pro unionist people working there) have in some way helped the SNP is baffling at best. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
strichener Posted April 7, 2023 Share Posted April 7, 2023 On 05/04/2023 at 21:55, invergowrie arab said: Ringfenced and restricted funds are completely different terms. I would be interested in how you differentiate the intent. https://ciof.org.uk/events-and-training/resources/restricted-and-unrestricted-funding 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trogdor Posted April 7, 2023 Share Posted April 7, 2023 53 minutes ago, welshbairn said: The Lord Advocate's the person to ask, whatever she says won't satisfy the moonhowlers though. Possibly or even the Crown Agent (given the Salmond debacle) although in this instance his line manager isn't implicated. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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