Salt n Vinegar Posted June 29, 2023 Author Share Posted June 29, 2023 I remember a question from a wee while back, on the impact of technology on this kind of blasphemy issue. If I download a copy of any "holy" book onto a piece of kit, then delete it, is that the same as destroying a hard copy of the same information? As I recall, the answer was "dunno". 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted June 29, 2023 Share Posted June 29, 2023 34 minutes ago, BTFD said: ....... and murder everyone again. Once is probably enough. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pozbaird Posted June 29, 2023 Share Posted June 29, 2023 1 minute ago, Salt n Vinegar said: I remember a question from a wee while back, on the impact of technology on this kind of blasphemy issue. If I download a copy of any "holy" book onto a piece of kit, then delete it, is that the same as destroying a hard copy of the same information? As I recall, the answer was "dunno". Depends if you just deleted the file, or set fire to the device the file was on. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Granny Danger Posted June 29, 2023 Share Posted June 29, 2023 22 minutes ago, Jacksgranda said: You've really mellowed in your retirement. Thank you. It’s certainly offered me the opportunity for more considered reflection. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedEd Posted June 29, 2023 Share Posted June 29, 2023 Wherever they burn books, in the end will also burn human beings." - Heinrich Heine 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thane of Cawdor Posted June 29, 2023 Share Posted June 29, 2023 I wonder if anyone has ever burned a copy of Fahrenheit 451. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Granny Danger Posted June 29, 2023 Share Posted June 29, 2023 7 minutes ago, Thane of Cawdor said: I wonder if anyone has ever burned a copy of Fahrenheit 451. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacksgranda Posted June 29, 2023 Share Posted June 29, 2023 43 minutes ago, Granny Danger said: Thank you. It’s certainly offered me the opportunity for more considered reflection. You could maybe consider reflecting a bit more. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
O'Kelly Isley III Posted June 29, 2023 Share Posted June 29, 2023 I'd happily burn every copy of Andrea Pirlo's ghosted autobiography, it's a period of my life I'll never get back. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted June 29, 2023 Share Posted June 29, 2023 (edited) 1 hour ago, Salt n Vinegar said: I remember a question from a wee while back, on the impact of technology on this kind of blasphemy issue. If I download a copy of any "holy" book onto a piece of kit, then delete it, is that the same as destroying a hard copy of the same information? As I recall, the answer was "dunno". Only physical Qurans matter and they're mostly ornamental. They're revered as divine objects. That's the point of them. They're hardly read by Muslims so not viewed like books. The classical Arabic of the text is largely impenetrable to modern Arabic speakers then the vast majority of the world's Muslims don't speak Arabic anyway. Muslim kids are made to rote-learn lines from the Quran under the supervision of the Imam but are not taught the translation. They believe its God's words they're repeating therefore its a divine and worthwhile exercise for that alone, despite not knowing what they're saying. This is also why Imams chant the lines. Nobody knows what he's saying, they're there for the ritualistic aspect of it and you're to believe these chants are just inherently majestic as they're composed of God's words. It's not like modern Christianity where Bibles are accessible to be read and understood by lay Christians. Edited June 29, 2023 by FreedomFarter 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Salt n Vinegar Posted June 29, 2023 Author Share Posted June 29, 2023 7 minutes ago, FreedomFarter said: Only physical Qurans matter and they're mostly ornamental. They're revered as divine objects. That's the point of them. They're hardly read by Muslims so not viewed like books. The classical Arabic of the text is largely impenetrable to modern Arabic speakers then the vast majority of the world's Muslims don't speak Arabic anyway. Muslim kids are made to rote-learn lines from the Quran under the supervision of the Imam but are not taught the translation. They believe its God's words they're repeating therefore its a divine and worthwhile exercise for that alone, despite not knowing what they're saying. This is also why Imams chant the lines. Nobody knows what he's saying, they're there for the ritualistic aspect of it and you're to believe these chants are just inherently majestic as they're composed of God's words. It's not like modern Christianity where Bibles are accessible to be read and understood by lay Christians. If that's correct (and I have no reason to question your information) the reaction seems to me even more odd. A book that few can read, let alone understand. We really are a most bizarre species. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ClydeTon Posted June 29, 2023 Share Posted June 29, 2023 I don't personally agree with religion however I can understand why people do. I can also see how stupid it is, but it's a personal thing. However, I personally disagree with book burnings, of any historical or religious kind. Sure, one copy of a book being burned isn't going to destroy the entire thing. But i suppose it is sacred to Islam, and it's fairly disrespectful to them to do it. As far as I understand (and I'm using a lot of guesswork to fill the gaps here), this was part of a protest against Islam and Arabic rights in Sweden. Presumably due to the ongoing crisis with the number of migrants being allowed in, overloading Sweden's national infrastructure and causing a right-wing backlash. Sweden's courts ruled before it that it was legal to burn a holy book, such as the Quran. Just a really stupid way to protest a demographics crisis. I'll always be a firm believer in dialogue and discussion being better than insults (or in this case, destruction of religious texts) 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted June 29, 2023 Share Posted June 29, 2023 (edited) 1 hour ago, FreedomFarter said: Only physical Qurans matter and they're mostly ornamental. They're revered as divine objects. That's the point of them. They're hardly read by Muslims so not viewed like books. The classical Arabic of the text is largely impenetrable to modern Arabic speakers then the vast majority of the world's Muslims don't speak Arabic anyway. Muslim kids are made to rote-learn lines from the Quran under the supervision of the Imam but are not taught the translation. They believe its God's words they're repeating therefore its a divine and worthwhile exercise for that alone, despite not knowing what they're saying. This is also why Imams chant the lines. Nobody knows what he's saying, they're there for the ritualistic aspect of it and you're to believe these chants are just inherently majestic as they're composed of God's words. It's not like modern Christianity where Bibles are accessible to be read and understood by lay Christians. Europe went woke when they dropped the Latin liturgy, America's bringing it back. I think Jesus's words translated into English have been getting to sound embarrassingly commie for his right wing supporters. https://www.nytimes.com/2022/11/15/us/latin-mass-revival.html Edited June 29, 2023 by welshbairn 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pozbaird Posted June 29, 2023 Share Posted June 29, 2023 1 hour ago, FreedomFarter said: Only physical Qurans matter and they're mostly ornamental. They're revered as divine objects. That's the point of them. They're hardly read by Muslims so not viewed like books. The classical Arabic of the text is largely impenetrable to modern Arabic speakers then the vast majority of the world's Muslims don't speak Arabic anyway. Muslim kids are made to rote-learn lines from the Quran under the supervision of the Imam but are not taught the translation. They believe its God's words they're repeating therefore its a divine and worthwhile exercise for that alone, despite not knowing what they're saying. This is also why Imams chant the lines. Nobody knows what he's saying, they're there for the ritualistic aspect of it and you're to believe these chants are just inherently majestic as they're composed of God's words. It's not like modern Christianity where Bibles are accessible to be read and understood by lay Christians. Older folk repeatedly mumbling words that no-one can make out or understand, but the kids listen to them anyway? Axl Rose & Elton at Glastonbury. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TxRover Posted June 29, 2023 Share Posted June 29, 2023 6 hours ago, StellarHibee said: The state of Texas burns books that it considers to be "too woke", "gay promoting" or "leftist". But people just shrug their shoulders because it's Texas. Actually, it’s individual school districts, not the State…but we got the Bible pulled off the shelves too. Specified Ezekiel 23:20 as a prime example. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TxRover Posted June 29, 2023 Share Posted June 29, 2023 2 hours ago, Salt n Vinegar said: A book that few can read, let alone understand. e.g. the King James version of the Bible? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wee-Bey Posted June 29, 2023 Share Posted June 29, 2023 Book burning does seem like it might be quite cathartic though. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coprolite Posted June 29, 2023 Share Posted June 29, 2023 I burned some of a bible when i ran out of rizzla because the paper was quite thin. It didn't work very well so i went to the shop and bought proper papers. I'm probably going to hell anyway for coveting my neighbour's ox anyway, so no harm done. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ClydeTon Posted June 29, 2023 Share Posted June 29, 2023 3 hours ago, welshbairn said: Europe went woke when they dropped the Latin liturgy, America's bringing it back. I think Jesus's words translated into English have been getting to sound embarrassingly commie for his right wing supporters. https://www.nytimes.com/2022/11/15/us/latin-mass-revival.html Tbf, Latin is cooler than Franco-Anglo-German-Danish-Norse. Otherwise known as English. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silvio Tattiescone Posted June 30, 2023 Share Posted June 30, 2023 9 hours ago, FreedomFarter said: Only physical Qurans matter and they're mostly ornamental. They're revered as divine objects. That's the point of them. They're hardly read by Muslims so not viewed like books. The classical Arabic of the text is largely impenetrable to modern Arabic speakers then the vast majority of the world's Muslims don't speak Arabic anyway. Muslim kids are made to rote-learn lines from the Quran under the supervision of the Imam but are not taught the translation. They believe its God's words they're repeating therefore its a divine and worthwhile exercise for that alone, despite not knowing what they're saying. This is also why Imams chant the lines. Nobody knows what he's saying, they're there for the ritualistic aspect of it and you're to believe these chants are just inherently majestic as they're composed of God's words. It's not like modern Christianity where Bibles are accessible to be read and understood by lay Christians. Sounds like my Higher Physics classes. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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