AJF Posted October 3, 2023 Share Posted October 3, 2023 6 minutes ago, Greenlantern said: Ffs again you and your pal AFJ are over complicating this. A simple fuckn diversion in place would be a start. This avoids Celtic fans, or any European club that MWell may host in the future that don’t take their flasks or blankys to the fitba from illegal entry into the ground through a fire exit. Stadium designs and evacuation systems have come a long way in the past few decades, legislation learned from previous tragedies have crowd safety as paramount importance. Again, Celtic fans are not blameless in this and if you’re asking me to divulge in the human physiology of why a group of fans decided to kick a door to let their pals in, I’ll leave that to the experts. It’s already been pointed out by other Celtic fans here that there was two ticket checkpoints before the turnstiles that should’ve stopped any ticketless Celtic fans from reaching the stadium. You make it seem as though this fire exit just happens to be there to allow Celtic fans illegal entry. No, they attempted to smash through it what can Motherwell do to direct Celtic fans away from a fire exit without causing any issues if it needs to be used in a genuine emergency? ”Celtic fans are not blameless in this” Christ, they are the only ones to blame for attempting to boot the door open. 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dons_1988 Posted October 3, 2023 Share Posted October 3, 2023 18 minutes ago, Greenlantern said: Ffs again you and your pal AFJ are over complicating this. A simple fuckn diversion in place would be a start. This avoids Celtic fans, or any European club that MWell may host in the future that don’t take their flasks or blankys to the fitba from illegal entry into the ground through a fire exit. Stadium designs and evacuation systems have come a long way in the past few decades, legislation learned from previous tragedies have crowd safety as paramount importance. Again, Celtic fans are not blameless in this and if you’re asking me to divulge in the human physiology of why a group of fans decided to kick a door to let their pals in, I’ll leave that to the experts. Away to f**k. You tried to put the onus on Motherwell to prevent a situation arising through investing in infrastructure, don’t cry when you get challenged on what you actually mean. What you’re suggesting is trivial improvements at best and is really just a repetitive, boring example of Celtic fans being unable to just accept responsibility. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sortmeout Posted October 3, 2023 Share Posted October 3, 2023 8 hours ago, Dosser1886 said: So the Police either a) let them boot the door open and additional fans flock into an already busy area of the stand, with the potential crush issues etc.. that could cause. Because the Police don't have the numbers or ability to prevent that once the door is open. Remind you of any event that happened in the 80's. Get it's not standing, numbers are different etc but the potential is there. b) Stop them doing that Police can't win. The other option, which might have already been discussed, is c) the police match commander orders the game to be suspended/delayed/cancelled until Celtic fans can behave themselves. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drew Brees Posted October 3, 2023 Share Posted October 3, 2023 2 minutes ago, AJF said: It’s already been pointed out by other Celtic fans here that there was two ticket checkpoints before the turnstiles that should’ve stopped any ticketless Celtic fans from reaching the stadium. You make it seem as though this fire exit just happens to be there to allow Celtic fans illegal entry. No, they attempted to smash through it what can Motherwell do to direct Celtic fans away from a fire exit without causing any issues if it needs to be used in a genuine emergency? ”Celtic fans are not blameless in this” Christ, they are the only ones to blame for attempting to boot the door open. Yep, self-entitled arseholes. The night up at Tannadice when we secured the league last May was a fucking disgrace trying to get into The Shed, loads of fans without tickets causing a crush (in which there was kids caught up in) and holding back the queues whilst they stood in the turnstile for a minute or two trying to bribe the operator to let them in, and not giving a single f**k about the mayhem they were causing behind them. Ended up taking over an hour to get in. Also the police made a c**t of it in the first place by not having a ticket check in the street to reduce the number of ticketless fans getting to the turnstiles. From what I’ve been told, Saturdays game was different as there were checks and few fans outside without tickets. The idiots trying to open the exits probably had no idea what was in the other side of the door. Still think the police shouldn’t be pushing against a fire exit but obviously a difficult one to police. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Empty It Posted October 3, 2023 Share Posted October 3, 2023 "Celtic fans are not blameless for this" Jesus wept For any avoidance of doubt Celtic fans are exclusively to blame for this. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sortmeout Posted October 3, 2023 Share Posted October 3, 2023 The worst thing about this incident is that it will probably lead to increased policing and stewarding costs at most games leading to increased ticket prices. Remind me again what particular fan base has been the most vocal about ticket prices, especially away ticket prices? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greenlantern Posted October 3, 2023 Author Share Posted October 3, 2023 If you don’t want to explore the reasons why it happed then fine, great, I’m completely at ease with the Celtic fans are solely responsible’ mantra. Carry on. -1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
well again Posted October 3, 2023 Share Posted October 3, 2023 18 minutes ago, Sortmeout said: The other option, which might have already been discussed, is c) the police match commander orders the game to be suspended/delayed/cancelled until Celtic fans can behave themselves. Matches involving Celtic would never start if that was the case . Stop selling tickets to them. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacksgranda Posted October 3, 2023 Share Posted October 3, 2023 On 02/10/2023 at 17:19, Dosser1886 said: Or the police start doing their jobs. Problem is they are moaning about not getting an away allocation to the old firm games, this kind of scum behaviour continues they'll be getting reduced allocations to all games. Also if there is some kind of incident due to a crush caused by people forcing their way in, they will take zero reponsibilty it will all be somebody else's fault. That goes without saying. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ceiling Granny Posted October 3, 2023 Share Posted October 3, 2023 If the door was being kicked open to let more fans in the police should have let that happen, had the match abandoned, and awarded 3 points and a 3-0 win to Motherwell. Then there would be absolutely nothing to talk about here The suggestion there were not more people in the south stand than there are seats is laughable at best. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Busta Nut Posted October 3, 2023 Share Posted October 3, 2023 Celtic fans (not all, but most) are deplorable scum. They've got lucky Rangers fans have been worse for the last 12 years. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drew Brees Posted October 3, 2023 Share Posted October 3, 2023 13 minutes ago, Busta Nut said: Celtic fans (not all, but most) are deplorable scum. They've got lucky Rangers fans have been worse for the last 12 years. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ClydeTon Posted October 3, 2023 Share Posted October 3, 2023 2 hours ago, Greenlantern said: Loves a headline. In your wee fantasy utopia world where every fan sits peacefully with their flask & wee tartan blanky, most clubs have their fire evacuation procedures and stadium designs pretty much covered against marauding hoards of glaswegian scumbags. Notice how it's only a problem with the weegie teams? It's also not a [Do what the Celtic mob did] Vs "sit peacefully with their flask & wee tartan blanky" - there is a third option: Support yer team, make some noise, and don't be a f*d. Clearly that one was beyond you. 9 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greenlantern Posted October 3, 2023 Author Share Posted October 3, 2023 19 minutes ago, Drew Brees said: Fukn plywood had it coming to it. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Todd_is_God Posted October 3, 2023 Share Posted October 3, 2023 Ticket checks outside the ground sound good in theory, but how are they conducted? A simple check to show whether or not ticket is valid wouldn't highlight anyone with a screenshot of one on their phone? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derry Alli Posted October 3, 2023 Share Posted October 3, 2023 1 hour ago, Drew Brees said: Also the police made a c**t of it in the first place by not having a ticket check in the street to reduce the number of ticketless fans getting to the turnstiles. Nope. We shouldn't have to live in a society where Celtic (or anyone's) fans just turn up and ram their way into turnstiles. The fault is purely on Celtic fans. 15 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Granny Danger Posted October 3, 2023 Share Posted October 3, 2023 (edited) 1 hour ago, Jacksgranda said: That goes without saying. Then why are you saying it? Anyway there’s a simple answer, don’t let Celtic or Sevco fans attend away games. Edited October 3, 2023 by Granny Danger 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacksgranda Posted October 3, 2023 Share Posted October 3, 2023 1 hour ago, Jacksgranda said: That goes without saying. 5 minutes ago, Granny Danger said: Then why are you saying it? I didn't say it - I posted it. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greenlantern Posted October 3, 2023 Author Share Posted October 3, 2023 33 minutes ago, ClydeTon said: Notice how it's only a problem with the weegie teams? It's also not a [Do what the Celtic mob did] Vs "sit peacefully with their flask & wee tartan blanky" - there is a third option: Support yer team, make some noise, and don't be a f*d. Clearly that one was beyond you. Of course you’re right m8, it’s completely beyond me. I am a Celtic fan after all. I’ve been to grounds all over the UK and you’ll be hard pushed to find such a deplorable bunch of rapscallions. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Archie McSquackle Posted October 3, 2023 Share Posted October 3, 2023 Well, this thread's taken a bit of a turn. Probably more 'discussion' of issues over a fire exit than the actual game. I'm away to look at tickets for Livi on Saturday. Or maybe I could just ask my dad to open the fire exit to let me in. 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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