MacDuffman Posted July 3 Share Posted July 3 Read the other day about a Tory getting a vote when someone drew a cock & balls against his name. Because it was inside the box it counted as a vote. My missus was canvasing the other day and some daftie said she wanted independence and to get back in Europe so she was voting for Fromage. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arch Stanton Posted July 3 Share Posted July 3 23 hours ago, lichtgilphead said: Misleading as ever, Jedi A worker on £26562 will pay less tax than someone on the same salary in rUK, because he will benefit from the 19% rate payable between £12,571 & £14,876. The exact income tax payable in Scotland will be £2775, whilst in rUK, it will be £2798 - check here: link to calculator The point where the Scottish/rUK tax takes are equal is on a salary of ~£28850 - slightly above the median Scottish earnings. In other words, 51% of Scottish raxpayers will pay less tax than their counterparts in England - another link In addition, your superficial analysis and your faux concern for public sector workers totally fails to take into account the fact that the pay scales in Scotland mean that public sector workers in Scotland tend to earn more than their equivalents in rUK (excluding London) . In fact, the median pay for a full-time public sector employee in Scotland was around £1,500 higher than in the UK in 2023. link What would you prefer, Jedi? A public sector salary of £44,000 in Scotland or £42,500 in rUK (excluding London)? One will get a take home pay of £34,977. the other will take home £34,120 (figures do not include pension payments) Guess who has the better pay packet at the end of each month? He won't respond to that. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GordonS Posted July 3 Share Posted July 3 On 02/07/2024 at 22:41, lichtgilphead said: Misleading as ever, Jedi A worker on £26562 will pay less tax than someone on the same salary in rUK, because he will benefit from the 19% rate payable between £12,571 & £14,876. The exact income tax payable in Scotland will be £2775, whilst in rUK, it will be £2798 - check here: link to calculator The point where the Scottish/rUK tax takes are equal is on a salary of ~£28850 - slightly above the median Scottish earnings. In other words, 51% of Scottish raxpayers will pay less tax than their counterparts in England - another link In addition, your superficial analysis and your faux concern for public sector workers totally fails to take into account the fact that the pay scales in Scotland mean that public sector workers in Scotland tend to earn more than their equivalents in rUK (excluding London) . In fact, the median pay for a full-time public sector employee in Scotland was around £1,500 higher than in the UK in 2023. link What would you prefer, Jedi? A public sector salary of £44,000 in Scotland or £42,500 in rUK (excluding London)? One will get a take home pay of £34,977. the other will take home £34,120 (figures do not include pension payments) Guess who has the better pay packet at the end of each month? I absolutely guarantee that their response to this will be straight-up deflection, bouncing to any remotely related issue where they can continue whining about the SNP. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jedi2 Posted July 3 Share Posted July 3 3 hours ago, strichener said: I propose that the Scottish government introduce a 75% teachers tax rate since they all want to pay higher taxes. Sounds fair 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GordonS Posted July 3 Share Posted July 3 BTW, while we're all worrying about the Reform vote after 10pm tomorrow, worth remembering that UKIP got 12.6% in 2015 and fell to 1.8% just two years later. When the Tories get themselves together Reform will disappear to nothing again. Without Brexit they're just a gammon protest vote. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eindhovendee Posted July 3 Share Posted July 3 3 hours ago, Fullerene said: Maybe you could record a YouTube clip on how to properly draw a cock on a ballot paper without it counting as a vote for Reform. I think that would be very helpful. I spoilt my ballot by voting for the SNP at the 2015 election in my English constituency, I tried to take a pic but got shouted at be one of the officials. Apparently its against the law. Spoilsports. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miguel Sanchez Posted July 3 Share Posted July 3 12 hours ago, Granny Danger said: There’s a worry that all these folk who draw cocks on their ballot papers will see their votes getting defaulted to Reform! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Michael W Posted July 3 Share Posted July 3 48 minutes ago, GordonS said: BTW, while we're all worrying about the Reform vote after 10pm tomorrow, worth remembering that UKIP got 12.6% in 2015 and fell to 1.8% just two years later. When the Tories get themselves together Reform will disappear to nothing again. Without Brexit they're just a gammon protest vote. This largely depends on what is left of the Tory party tomorrow. Unfortunately, many of the MPs with the largest majorities are very much what the gammons want to see from the Tory party. The most recent MRPs have them into very low triple digits of seats. I still think there's an inherent danger that the smaller entity completes a reverse takeover over the Tories, with the continuity party essentially consisting of what Thatcher would've deemed "wets". 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edinabear Posted July 3 Share Posted July 3 Can see reform getting 4/5 million votes. Will only get a couple of seats though 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BFTD Posted July 4 Share Posted July 4 16 hours ago, Salvo Montalbano said: As a teacher in a state school "hit" with the higher tax, I'm happy to and would happily pay more tax if it meant more money was spent in education, particularly in the return of dedicated behaviour support units and around addional support needs/more pupil support assistants. You'd be surprised how many people don't mind paying a bit of extra tax if they see something from it. The issue with the tax rises the Tories have overseen is that we don't have anything to show for it as it has been wasted on things like dodgy PPE contracts and tax cuts higher up the food chain. Labour seem to have been spooked by the old Lib Dem "1p more to pay for the NHS" policy and have been backed into a corner where they've committed to not increasing any of the big four taxes, not changing council tax and not borrowing. With such a big lead in the polls they could have probably got away with a 1p extra for medium earners and 2p more for the uber wealthy if they said it was ringfenced for the NHS, education and the likes. But we'll never know. Really? I think the real surprise would be to find out how many people are inwardly seething about having to pay tax towards anything that they don't personally and immediately benefit from. People could probably also do with a wake-up call about how little their own tax contribution actually covers. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MEADOWXI Posted July 4 Share Posted July 4 11 hours ago, Michael W said: This largely depends on what is left of the Tory party tomorrow. Unfortunately, many of the MPs with the largest majorities are very much what the gammons want to see from the Tory party. The most recent MRPs have them into very low triple digits of seats. I still think there's an inherent danger that the smaller entity completes a reverse takeover over the Tories, with the continuity party essentially consisting of what Thatcher would've deemed "wets". The temptation to register the name 'Reformed Conservatives' or 'Conservative Reform' before it appears as their joint slogan at the party conference in October is getting stronger. Think enough of the looneys in both groups will see it as a sensible step forward after the arse-kicking they are about to get. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael W Posted July 4 Share Posted July 4 2 hours ago, MEADOWXI said: The temptation to register the name 'Reformed Conservatives' or 'Conservative Reform' before it appears as their joint slogan at the party conference in October is getting stronger. Think enough of the looneys in both groups will see it as a sensible step forward after the arse-kicking they are about to get. Every chance I end up being completely wrong here, but I don't see Farage joining the Tories. There are enough there that hate his guts and would block such a move. However, he is popular with their members so there is a very real danger of defections if enough people believe the prophecy of doom that they will never make power again without being in league with Farage. Goes without saying that Reform also despise the Tories, as they themselves as the real conservatives and the Tories little other than damp lefty sellouts. I think they would take great delight in taking over the party if they were allowed to, in order it can be "restored" in their eyes. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacksgranda Posted July 4 Share Posted July 4 14 hours ago, edinabear said: Can see reform getting 4/5 million votes. Will only get a couple of seats though I reckon that's probably about it. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MEADOWXI Posted July 4 Share Posted July 4 13 minutes ago, Michael W said: Every chance I end up being completely wrong here, but I don't see Farage joining the Tories. There are enough there that hate his guts and would block such a move. However, he is popular with their members so there is a very real danger of defections if enough people believe the prophecy of doom that they will never make power again without being in league with Farage. Goes without saying that Reform also despise the Tories, as they themselves as the real conservatives and the Tories little other than damp lefty sellouts. I think they would take great delight in taking over the party if they were allowed to, in order it can be "restored" in their eyes. Could be a case that a number of surviving MPs defect to Reform/Reformed Conservatives/Forages Fools and go from having 1 or 2 MPs after tonight to have 20-30 by the Autumn. Further destroying the Conservative party as is and leading to these changes, but see the next few months being a soul searching (assuming they all have souls) or best personal income searching period on the right and lots of maneuvering and ship jumping. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richey Edwards Posted July 4 Share Posted July 4 Reform UK projected to win every seat in Scotland. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thane of Cawdor Posted July 4 Share Posted July 4 The Electoral Calculus site gives Lee Anderson a 60% chance of winning his seat. I can't believe that this cretin will be elected again; everything I have seen or read of him indicates that he is an utterly contemptible man. The Irish used a particularly derogatory term for former Taoiseach, Brian Cowen, known as Biffo (big ignorant fucker from Offaly). I think a similar term applies to Anderson, Biffa (big ignorant fucker from Ashfield. Coincidentally, that's where the clown actually belongs. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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carpetmonster Posted July 4 Share Posted July 4 There it is boys; the endorsement to end all endorsements. It’s Nigel’s to lose now. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scary Bear Posted July 4 Share Posted July 4 (edited) 11 minutes ago, carpetmonster said: There it is boys; the endorsement to end all endorsements. It’s Nigel’s to lose now. Is he Reform now! That’s a bit of a change from the Lib Dems. Is he still riding a cheeky girl? Answer: no. However he has led full life according to his Wiki page. Edited July 4 by Scary Bear 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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