Fullerene Posted July 6 Share Posted July 6 7 minutes ago, tarapoa said: Apologies if this has been mentioned earlier or elsewhere, but an interesting stat. QoS, Annan, Stranraer and Bromley are the only senior teams in the UK that are located in a Tory seat. Nobody has mentioned Bromley before so you should be okay. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkey Tennis Posted July 6 Share Posted July 6 18 minutes ago, tarapoa said: Apologies if this has been mentioned earlier or elsewhere, but an interesting stat. QoS, Annan, Stranraer and Bromley are the only senior teams in the UK that are located in a Tory seat. Yeah, it tends to come up. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richey Edwards Posted July 6 Share Posted July 6 That's the Rwanda scheme scrapped boys. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted July 6 Share Posted July 6 It's all thrill a minute in Dingwall. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacksgranda Posted July 6 Share Posted July 6 30 minutes ago, Fullerene said: Nobody has mentioned Bromley before so you should be okay. It has been mentioned (on other threads) at least twice. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkey Tennis Posted July 6 Share Posted July 6 (edited) 59 minutes ago, Richey Edwards said: That's the Rwanda scheme scrapped boys. Obviously good news. I was struck by Sunak's departing speech yesterday. The bit about a second generation Indian immigrant becoming PM, and his daughters getting to light candles for Duvali on Downing Street might have been touching and inspiring if coming from someone else. He was saying that tolerance and inclusivity must be preserved and valued, in what was clearly a swipe at Reform. Coming from someone who had explicitly tried to harness racist sentiment in the Small Boats nonsense and the Rwanda idiocy though, it failed to ring true. Edited July 6 by Monkey Tennis 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
No_Problemo Posted July 6 Share Posted July 6 The appointment of James Timpson as Prison Minister is at least one very small positive sign, amongst all the other Tory lite shit we’ve been hearing from them. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tarapoa Posted July 6 Share Posted July 6 Ed Milliband as energy secretary gives me the fear. He's one step off belonging in the Green Party. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fullerene Posted July 6 Share Posted July 6 22 minutes ago, Jacksgranda said: It has been mentioned (on other threads) at least twice. Other threads? Let me guess. Petty things that get on your mind. Bromley Football Club. Grrr. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ClydeTon Posted July 6 Share Posted July 6 12 hours ago, Freedom Farter said: The inverse of your claim happened. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c9e9ydj215yo Many more lost. Only six independents won, one of whom was Jeremy Corbyn, so five, tops. The ones who lost were largely up against pro-Palestine Labour candidates anyway (or, like one in particular in Birmingham, were blatant homophobes and/or misogynists which made them unelectable) So yes, some won, but the vast majority didn't. My point was that. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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coprolite Posted July 6 Share Posted July 6 3 hours ago, JS_FFC said: Iqbal Mohammed was elected for Dewsbury and Batley. Independents also took Leicester South, Blackburn and Birmingham Perry Barr https://www.imohamed4mp.co.uk/ Dangerous left wing ideology includes desire to "secure investment" and professes support for subversive organisations like the "sports centre" Leicester South: https://shockatadam.org/ Hardcore Leninist doctrine from this one: "As a small business owner in our community, I understand the hurdles of entrepreneurship firsthand. It's imperative that we implement clear and vigorous strategies to enhance our city's business landscape. I am dedicated to advocating for local businesses and revitalising our international reputation to position Leicester as a desirable hub for commerce." Blackburn : https://electionleaflets.org/leaflets/20007/ This commie is advocating tax cuts for small businesses and is bringing in disgustingky WOKE identity politics by acknowledging that public services have prioritised women and minorities and marginalised white working class males. The worst sort of cultural marxism. Birmingham - can't find much about. 3 hours ago, JS_FFC said: I’m not talking about Corbyn here. It’s the Galloway aligned independents in the other seats who have been elected on a single issue which our government has no control over. Citation required 2 hours ago, JS_FFC said: The centrist position on the Middle East is an immediate ceasefire leading to a sustainable two state solution. “ ”Let Israel finish the job” is a right wing talking point being peddled by Trump in the US and some Tories here much like “from the river to the sea” is a left wing dog whistle. There's only one dog whistle here. Where does "genocide is wrong" fit into your peculiar worldview. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tamthebam Posted July 6 Share Posted July 6 2 hours ago, tarapoa said: Apologies if this has been mentioned earlier or elsewhere, but an interesting stat. QoS, Annan, Stranraer and Bromley are the only senior teams in the UK that are located in a Tory seat. If half the Labour vote in those seats had held their nose and voted SNP then 3 of those wouldn't be. I suppose tactical voting only goes so far. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jedi2 Posted July 6 Share Posted July 6 Labour's position on Gaza is a ceasefire, aid getting through properly to those who most need it, and a two state solution. No question that they took time to get there, but I'm not sure what else they could say other than the above. There are of course other conflicts and oppression of minorities going on around the world...things have gone very quiet on Ukraine recently for instance yet it is still very much rumbling on. There are major conflicts in Yemen, Sudan and Syria which we hear next to nothing about and where a lot of people are still dying There are what are cited as genocides happening in Afghanistan and the Turkish treatment of Kurds. Why weren't there 'Independent' electio candidates to campaign about these? At some point there will be an end to the Israeli offensive in Gaza..hopefully very soon, so that a process of rebuilding in the region can start and people lives can start to be rebuilt as well. We now have a party in govt whose stance on Gaza is, as far as I can see, the same as the SNP. Once the situation improves don't see how Starmer still has to be held to 'account' for this. Of major concern coming up is, is Trump pulling US military aid out of Ukraine which will clearly embolden Putin and weaken NATO (which Trump also plans to do). -1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paranoid android Posted July 6 Share Posted July 6 Maggie Thatcher - your boys took a hell of a beating. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sonam Posted July 6 Share Posted July 6 4 hours ago, coprolite said: I think he means "anti genocide" 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wee-Bey Posted July 6 Share Posted July 6 35 minutes ago, Jedi2 said: Labour's position on Gaza is a ceasefire, aid getting through properly to those who most need it, and a two state solution. No question that they took time to get there, but I'm not sure what else they could say other than the above. There are of course other conflicts and oppression of minorities going on around the world...things have gone very quiet on Ukraine recently for instance yet it is still very much rumbling on. There are major conflicts in Yemen, Sudan and Syria which we hear next to nothing about and where a lot of people are still dying There are what are cited as genocides happening in Afghanistan and the Turkish treatment of Kurds. Why weren't there 'Independent' electio candidates to campaign about these? At some point there will be an end to the Israeli offensive in Gaza..hopefully very soon, so that a process of rebuilding in the region can start and people lives can start to be rebuilt as well. We now have a party in govt whose stance on Gaza is, as far as I can see, the same as the SNP. Once the situation improves don't see how Starmer still has to be held to 'account' for this. Of major concern coming up is, is Trump pulling US military aid out of Ukraine which will clearly embolden Putin and weaken NATO (which Trump also plans to do). This is disingenuous bullshit and you know it. 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacksgranda Posted July 6 Share Posted July 6 2 hours ago, ClydeTon said: Many more lost. Only six independents won, one of whom was Jeremy Corbyn, so five, tops. The ones who lost were largely up against pro-Palestine Labour candidates anyway (or, like one in particular in Birmingham, were blatant homophobes and/or misogynists which made them unelectable) So yes, some won, but the vast majority didn't. My point was that. 4, I think, another independent won in NI 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coprolite Posted July 6 Share Posted July 6 43 minutes ago, Jedi2 said: Labour's position on Gaza is a ceasefire, aid getting through properly to those who most need it, and a two state solution. No question that they took time to get there, but I'm not sure what else they could say other than the above. There are of course other conflicts and oppression of minorities going on around the world...things have gone very quiet on Ukraine recently for instance yet it is still very much rumbling on. There are major conflicts in Yemen, Sudan and Syria which we hear next to nothing about and where a lot of people are still dying There are what are cited as genocides happening in Afghanistan and the Turkish treatment of Kurds. Why weren't there 'Independent' electio candidates to campaign about these? At some point there will be an end to the Israeli offensive in Gaza..hopefully very soon, so that a process of rebuilding in the region can start and people lives can start to be rebuilt as well. We now have a party in govt whose stance on Gaza is, as far as I can see, the same as the SNP. Once the situation improves don't see how Starmer still has to be held to 'account' for this. Of major concern coming up is, is Trump pulling US military aid out of Ukraine which will clearly embolden Putin and weaken NATO (which Trump also plans to do). The establishment parties have come out unequivocally in support of Ukraine and against Russian aggression. I don't have the figures to hand but i'd expect that numbers of Syrian and Turkish Kurds in The UK are dwarfed by the number of muslims. There is a strong school of thought in Islam that muslims should look out for other muslims. The fact that it's happening in a historically and culturally sensitive region means that it's much more salient than some isolated valley in the mountains. In short, a lot of people care, a lot. Labour only changed tack to a ceasefire after about 20, 000 deaths and many high profile crimes against humanity. Even now they're not condemning Israel (unless i missed that). A lot of people that care a lot about something that Labour is non commital and bland about therefore feel unrepresented by Labour and want represented. That's how democracy works. You (and that @JS_FFC guy) seem to be insinuating that there's more to it and some sort of conspiracy. Him with his Galloway shite and you putting inverted commas around "independent". Maybe it's all part of the great replacement 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted July 6 Share Posted July 6 The vast majority of Kurds are Sunni Muslim. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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