renton Posted July 6 Share Posted July 6 Just now, Jedi2 said: The SNP have an easy attack line pre-Holyrood which has already started..'Labour threaten free prescriptions, dental care, tuition fees' etc, which is why Labour should close that down quickly. No question that the Constitutional Paper was very vague and not radical but that was before a large WM majority which offers the chance to be bolder..again would be madness to miss the chance. The SNP are also asking for what would be 24 years in power at Holyrood..that is an astonishing length of time for any party to be in govt, anywhere. Agree with @DeeTillEhDeh that they need to break away from the Sturgeon cabal control of the leadership before then.. at the moment the offer on the table is Swinney as FM for (from now) 7 years. That might not be the most appealing choice for voters. I'd say a large WM majority actually means they can afford to park it and not do a damn thing about any of it. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cheese Posted July 6 Share Posted July 6 It's Donathan isn't it. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
renton Posted July 6 Share Posted July 6 Just now, JS_FFC said: Think Labour should run on the exact same policies as the SNP apart from independence. They can also play up the benefits of having the same party in government in Edinburgh as in London by selling the benefits of being told what to do. FTFY 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Granny Danger Posted July 6 Share Posted July 6 1 minute ago, JS_FFC said: The centrist position on the Middle East is an immediate ceasefire leading to a sustainable two state solution. “ ”Let Israel finish the job” is a right wing talking point being peddled by Trump in the US and some Tories here much like “from the river to the sea” is a left wing dog whistle. OK, so when you made the following post… 9 minutes ago, JS_FFC said: I’m not talking about Corbyn here. It’s the Galloway aligned independents in the other seats who have been elected on a single issue which our government has no control over. … you meant the single issue as being the situation in Gaza and the West Bank. However you went on to say “which our government has no control over”. Well yes, they have no ‘control’ per se but as a leading European nation, and a country that is more to blame than most for the treatment of the Palestinian people, we should expect the representatives of our government in waiting to condemn outright the actions of the Israeli government. Instead they adopted a position virtually indistinguishable from that of the then Tory government. The Labour and Tory position is nothing short of disgusting and Flynn and the SNP deserve kudos for trying to force meaningful debate on the issue even when thwarted by the incredibly biased actions of Hoyle who will no doubt be taking the ermine. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkey Tennis Posted July 6 Share Posted July 6 5 hours ago, Highlandmagar said: Indeed she was. But Cameron's ideology over a small state, then , to pacify his own party, granted an EU referendum, that opened pandoras box for the bat shit crazy right wingers in the party to run riit and wreck the country. He is wholly responsible for these events. No argument with any of that. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tarapoa Posted July 6 Share Posted July 6 Apologies if this has been mentioned earlier or elsewhere, but an interesting stat. QoS, Annan, Stranraer and Bromley are the only senior teams in the UK that are located in a Tory seat. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fullerene Posted July 6 Share Posted July 6 7 minutes ago, tarapoa said: Apologies if this has been mentioned earlier or elsewhere, but an interesting stat. QoS, Annan, Stranraer and Bromley are the only senior teams in the UK that are located in a Tory seat. Nobody has mentioned Bromley before so you should be okay. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkey Tennis Posted July 6 Share Posted July 6 18 minutes ago, tarapoa said: Apologies if this has been mentioned earlier or elsewhere, but an interesting stat. QoS, Annan, Stranraer and Bromley are the only senior teams in the UK that are located in a Tory seat. Yeah, it tends to come up. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richey Edwards Posted July 6 Share Posted July 6 That's the Rwanda scheme scrapped boys. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted July 6 Share Posted July 6 It's all thrill a minute in Dingwall. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacksgranda Posted July 6 Share Posted July 6 30 minutes ago, Fullerene said: Nobody has mentioned Bromley before so you should be okay. It has been mentioned (on other threads) at least twice. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkey Tennis Posted July 6 Share Posted July 6 (edited) 59 minutes ago, Richey Edwards said: That's the Rwanda scheme scrapped boys. Obviously good news. I was struck by Sunak's departing speech yesterday. The bit about a second generation Indian immigrant becoming PM, and his daughters getting to light candles for Duvali on Downing Street might have been touching and inspiring if coming from someone else. He was saying that tolerance and inclusivity must be preserved and valued, in what was clearly a swipe at Reform. Coming from someone who had explicitly tried to harness racist sentiment in the Small Boats nonsense and the Rwanda idiocy though, it failed to ring true. Edited July 6 by Monkey Tennis 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
No_Problemo Posted July 6 Share Posted July 6 The appointment of James Timpson as Prison Minister is at least one very small positive sign, amongst all the other Tory lite shit we’ve been hearing from them. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tarapoa Posted July 6 Share Posted July 6 Ed Milliband as energy secretary gives me the fear. He's one step off belonging in the Green Party. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fullerene Posted July 6 Share Posted July 6 22 minutes ago, Jacksgranda said: It has been mentioned (on other threads) at least twice. Other threads? Let me guess. Petty things that get on your mind. Bromley Football Club. Grrr. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ClydeTon Posted July 6 Share Posted July 6 12 hours ago, Freedom Farter said: The inverse of your claim happened. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c9e9ydj215yo Many more lost. Only six independents won, one of whom was Jeremy Corbyn, so five, tops. The ones who lost were largely up against pro-Palestine Labour candidates anyway (or, like one in particular in Birmingham, were blatant homophobes and/or misogynists which made them unelectable) So yes, some won, but the vast majority didn't. My point was that. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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coprolite Posted July 6 Share Posted July 6 3 hours ago, JS_FFC said: Iqbal Mohammed was elected for Dewsbury and Batley. Independents also took Leicester South, Blackburn and Birmingham Perry Barr https://www.imohamed4mp.co.uk/ Dangerous left wing ideology includes desire to "secure investment" and professes support for subversive organisations like the "sports centre" Leicester South: https://shockatadam.org/ Hardcore Leninist doctrine from this one: "As a small business owner in our community, I understand the hurdles of entrepreneurship firsthand. It's imperative that we implement clear and vigorous strategies to enhance our city's business landscape. I am dedicated to advocating for local businesses and revitalising our international reputation to position Leicester as a desirable hub for commerce." Blackburn : https://electionleaflets.org/leaflets/20007/ This commie is advocating tax cuts for small businesses and is bringing in disgustingky WOKE identity politics by acknowledging that public services have prioritised women and minorities and marginalised white working class males. The worst sort of cultural marxism. Birmingham - can't find much about. 3 hours ago, JS_FFC said: I’m not talking about Corbyn here. It’s the Galloway aligned independents in the other seats who have been elected on a single issue which our government has no control over. Citation required 2 hours ago, JS_FFC said: The centrist position on the Middle East is an immediate ceasefire leading to a sustainable two state solution. “ ”Let Israel finish the job” is a right wing talking point being peddled by Trump in the US and some Tories here much like “from the river to the sea” is a left wing dog whistle. There's only one dog whistle here. Where does "genocide is wrong" fit into your peculiar worldview. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tamthebam Posted July 6 Share Posted July 6 2 hours ago, tarapoa said: Apologies if this has been mentioned earlier or elsewhere, but an interesting stat. QoS, Annan, Stranraer and Bromley are the only senior teams in the UK that are located in a Tory seat. If half the Labour vote in those seats had held their nose and voted SNP then 3 of those wouldn't be. I suppose tactical voting only goes so far. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jedi2 Posted July 6 Share Posted July 6 Labour's position on Gaza is a ceasefire, aid getting through properly to those who most need it, and a two state solution. No question that they took time to get there, but I'm not sure what else they could say other than the above. There are of course other conflicts and oppression of minorities going on around the world...things have gone very quiet on Ukraine recently for instance yet it is still very much rumbling on. There are major conflicts in Yemen, Sudan and Syria which we hear next to nothing about and where a lot of people are still dying There are what are cited as genocides happening in Afghanistan and the Turkish treatment of Kurds. Why weren't there 'Independent' electio candidates to campaign about these? At some point there will be an end to the Israeli offensive in Gaza..hopefully very soon, so that a process of rebuilding in the region can start and people lives can start to be rebuilt as well. We now have a party in govt whose stance on Gaza is, as far as I can see, the same as the SNP. Once the situation improves don't see how Starmer still has to be held to 'account' for this. Of major concern coming up is, is Trump pulling US military aid out of Ukraine which will clearly embolden Putin and weaken NATO (which Trump also plans to do). -1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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