TxRover Posted February 5, 2022 Share Posted February 5, 2022 1 minute ago, Fae_the_'briggs said: He's the Manager, he would have been consulted, he didn't try and block the move though or threaten to resign if it went ahead. He was complicit even if he was not the main instigator. You are, I’m afraid, correct. JMcG has pretty much destroyed his legacy at Raith with an, at least, ill-considered decision, if not more. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevoraith Posted February 5, 2022 Share Posted February 5, 2022 10 minutes ago, Fae_the_'briggs said: Sounds like McGlynn is getting it fairly easy even though he must have been involved in the decision to sign that player. Can it be that Raith supporters are so fickle that they seem to overlook his part in this tawdry episode just because he's been a reasonably successful manager for them. If you go back a few pages you'll be able to read a fairly lengthy debate on this with various viewpoints. But in short, those who have a bit of sympathy/goodwill for McGlynn feel that way not because of results on the park, but because of how good he has been for the club behind the scenes, not just in footballing matters. And those that feel he needs to go feel that, as you say, he was complicit even if he wasn't the main instigator (which we don't know for sure). 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SirJimmyofNic Posted February 5, 2022 Share Posted February 5, 2022 (edited) 2 minutes ago, stevoraith said: If you go back a few pages you'll be able to read a fairly lengthy debate on this with various viewpoints. But in short, those who have a bit of sympathy/goodwill for McGlynn feel that way not because of results on the park, but because of how good he has been for the club behind the scenes, not just in footballing matters. And those that feel he needs to go feel that, as you say, he was complicit even if he wasn't the main instigator (which we don't know for sure). His Jacket would surely be on a slack nail anyway with this run of results continuing Edited February 5, 2022 by SirJimmyofNic 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pub car king Posted February 5, 2022 Share Posted February 5, 2022 I think I'd rather get as much information and perspective about the whole thing before committing either way to how I feel at the moment it's a fucking mess. From what Bill Clark is saying even he doesn't know the fullness of events and he's on the board at the time. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CALDERON Posted February 5, 2022 Share Posted February 5, 2022 12 minutes ago, Fae_the_'briggs said: He's the Manager, he would have been consulted, he didn't try and block the move though or threaten to resign if it went ahead. He was complicit even if he was not the main instigator. How do you know what Mcglynn did or didn't do? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fae_the_'briggs Posted February 5, 2022 Share Posted February 5, 2022 McGlynn has been a very good appointment for Raith Rovers and its probably natural that a section of their support will back him because of that, but I just wonder if you'd been down in the relegation area and had an Allan Johnston type record of results, if the support for him would have been so forgiving. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yoss Posted February 5, 2022 Share Posted February 5, 2022 There are some clubs run like that, where the chairman is basically playing fantasy football and his manager is more or less a lackey with far less say over transfer dealings than fans like to imagine. Think Jimmy Thomson under Alex Penman. I've never got the impression that the current Raith set-up is like that, but others will know better than me. Did McGlynn identify Goodwillie as a target, or was he offered him and did he just say "well from a football point of view only he'd obviously be great, but whether that's a road you want to go down is a matter for the board"? One scenario is less bad than the other, but I don't know if even that should be enough to save him, for me. Clark's comments have muddied the waters though. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fae_the_'briggs Posted February 5, 2022 Share Posted February 5, 2022 3 minutes ago, CALDERON said: How do you know what Mcglynn did or didn't do? I dont know, do you or any of the posters on this subject, but do you actually think he was clueless on this until the player's contract was signed and announced? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Broken Algorithms Posted February 5, 2022 Share Posted February 5, 2022 I do wonder if Clark is coming at it from the perspective of being a Raith fan and seeing the work John has done over the last few seasons, knowing that we're unlikely to get anyone better. Fans voting with their feet today. Throughout the January window, the club had been quite vocal about reaching 1500 season ticket holders. Attendance today: 1136. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ding Dang Doo Posted February 5, 2022 Share Posted February 5, 2022 There is no way I'm having it that McGlynn want involved. He had to, at least, sign it off. And remember when he was asked weeks ago he didn't exactly deny it. And if somehow he wasn't involved and was just told Goodwillie was coming in and that's that then that is equally worrying.If you look at his comments when he was signed and then on Tuesday pre match I think it was clear McGlynn was more than happy to have him at the club 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zen Archer (Raconteur) Posted February 5, 2022 Share Posted February 5, 2022 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael W Posted February 5, 2022 Share Posted February 5, 2022 23 minutes ago, pub car king said: I think I'd rather get as much information and perspective about the whole thing before committing either way to how I feel at the moment it's a fucking mess. From what Bill Clark is saying even he doesn't know the fullness of events and he's on the board at the time. Agreed. This will however require a full explanation from John McGlynn, who seems keen to avoid the matter. Similarly, Sim and the board need to front up as well and stop hiding. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raith Against The Machine Posted February 5, 2022 Share Posted February 5, 2022 At this stage, I don't think that's a bad decision. We saw the fallout from Benedictus being sent out after Tuesday's game. The caveat to that is that there must be more communication from the club in the coming days. It shouldn't be for the players to answer for the actions of the board and, to whatever extent, the manager. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael W Posted February 5, 2022 Share Posted February 5, 2022 5 minutes ago, Zen Archer (Raconteur) said: Total cowards. The lot of them can f**k off. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Highlandmagar Posted February 5, 2022 Share Posted February 5, 2022 This wall of silence seems to be making it worse. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
South Stand Dynamo Posted February 5, 2022 Share Posted February 5, 2022 Cowards the fucking lot of them. As much as the players on the park deserve support, not a fucking penny of mine will go to the club while these arseholes are in charge. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Offshore Rover Posted February 5, 2022 Share Posted February 5, 2022 2 hours ago, CALDERON said: What did that banner at the back of the stand say? “We Stand With Goodwillie” was not received well at all -1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Broken Algorithms Posted February 5, 2022 Share Posted February 5, 2022 Just now, Offshore Rover said: “We Stand With Goodwillie” was not received well at all That's weird, I thought they were quite keen to call out sex offenders? 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raith Against The Machine Posted February 5, 2022 Share Posted February 5, 2022 Just now, Offshore Rover said: “We Stand With Goodwillie” was not received well at all Fucking hell. Absolutely shameful. What a fucking hill to die on, too. Pathetic. 10 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nairney Posted February 5, 2022 Share Posted February 5, 2022 1 hour ago, Ro Sham Bo said: Something about supporting Goodwillie. Didn't see it myself but heard someone say that's what it said. Caused a bit of a furore with a woman in the row in front of me turning round and unsurprisingly doing her nut at them. Grim stuff. This is exactly why I can’t face going back to a game yet. Goodwillie might well be away from the club but the toxicity of this whole fiasco still leaves a nasty effect behind - whatever side of the fence your opinion falls on. Folk making banners to support him won’t have a clue what feelings they’re potentially stirring up in those round about them. They’ll think it’s a laugh or they’ll think they’re being edgy and a dangerous few might even think they’re making a moral stand. That’s the sort of attitude we can all put on ignore on social media or forums but in real life it’s not like that. With everything else happening in the country / world right now, it can sometimes feel like we’re living in a powder keg. This is not something we need to experience whilst we sit amongst our fellow supporters, and escape for a bit, on a Saturday afternoon. Creating clarity on the way forward needs to be the clubs priority right now. I appreciate there will be a lot going on behind the scenes at the moment, plus a hugely reduced number of people helping out. However, in order for more people to come back and support the club, both financially and vocally, we need answers and we need a clear direction out of this mess. 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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