knee jerk reaction Posted December 8, 2021 Share Posted December 8, 2021 We went from Mcgovern to a young inexperienced keeper, lost Leahy for a not ready Tony Gallagher, lost Valks in midfield and having been lucky upfront with Farid, Taylor and even Baird we were weaker upfront as well. How many managers could lose the players Houston did and not have the team suffer? To be fair though some of the incoming players like Harris etc was terrible recruitment. Anyway the next transfer window is the most vital now and we really need to get it right, starting with the new manager. -1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HopeStreetWalker Posted December 8, 2021 Share Posted December 8, 2021 16 minutes ago, knee jerk reaction said: Would anyone explain how we as a club replace a player like Valks? Ok Houston could've done better than Rankin but we were never replacing Valks with the same quality of player. That was the problem we had with Houston not players had downed tools or he lost the dressing room (listen to Mark Kerr on the hope street podcast) rather we lost quality all over the pitch that was almost irreplaceable on our budget unless we got incredibly lucky, instead we were very unlucky when other factors affected signings like Loy. Peter Houston is one of the most unlucky managers we have had. Gave the likes of Rangers, Hearts, Hibs doings and playing them off the park. In normal circumstances he had a promotion team. Sad how it ended for him and just wonder what would have happened if he had the funds that were squandered on his departure before the start of his final season. Great Falkirk Player and Manager in my book. 18 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shadwell Dog Posted December 8, 2021 Share Posted December 8, 2021 6 minutes ago, knee jerk reaction said: We went from Mcgovern to a young inexperienced keeper, lost Leahy for a not ready Tony Gallagher, lost Valks in midfield and having been lucky upfront with Farid, Taylor and even Baird we were weaker upfront as well. How many managers could lose the players Houston did and not have the team suffer? To be fair though some of the incoming players like Harris etc was terrible recruitment. Anyway the next transfer window is the most vital now and we really need to get it right, starting with the new manager. You can't but replacing vaulks with John Rankin is like selling your Ferrari and buying a lada. Same with Alston bringing in the likes of Harris who was fecking dreadful. Our team may not have been quite as good but then it didn't have to be the year st mirren won it. Previously we'd gone toe to toe with hearts, rangers and Hibs and now the standard overall dipped with st mirren winning it and united struggling . Some decent replacements to the side and we wouldn't have been far away again but we ended up with Loy and Harris and when you add that to poor signings from the year before it meant things were never going to go well. Houston should've brought in a decent left back but chose to go with Gallacher. Robbie Thomson was what 25. He wasn't young or inexperienced he was just shite. Houston had brought in Austin and hippo the latter was too inconsistent and the former Houston never seemed to take to or get the best out of considering he's done pretty well everywhere else. It was one season of shite recruitment too many unfortunately and that tied in with Houstie announcing he was retiring was the perfect storm for a disastrous season. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HopeStreetWalker Posted December 8, 2021 Share Posted December 8, 2021 4 hours ago, Shadwell Dog said: As has been mentioned Houstie did very well at getting more out of Pressley and Holt's signings but his own signings were brutal in the main. That and him announcing he was going to be off at the end of the season undoubtedly started the demise that we've never recovered from. I mean do we really want someone who signed Taylor Morgan and Alec Harris anywhere near our recruitment? Any manager coming in can't be temporary in my mind either. There must be scope for him to carry on after the end of the season or you'll just get the same situation we got in Houstons last season with players not bothering as the manager won't be there long so why bother. Its a hard call and we ain't got a good track record on that side of things. The power the manager has at the club has to be changed for the new recruit. If he works under the same limitations then the odds increase he will encounter the same problems. It all depends on the Job description - total control of tactics, coaching, signings and that's it. If there is a director of football it should be limited to be the managers go for. ie I want a player with X , Y, Z skillset. Find me a short list of 4 and I will watch them then you can negotiate terms on who I want. Peter Taylor fulfilled that function with Brian Clough. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grumpyoldman Posted December 8, 2021 Share Posted December 8, 2021 (edited) Worst full time team in Scotland will get in the majorly cases the lowest standard of full time player. Time to go a hybrid model and pick up some of the better part time players. Before it’s too late Edited December 8, 2021 by grumpyoldman 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NavyBlueArmy1876 Posted December 8, 2021 Share Posted December 8, 2021 (edited) Two seasons in a row in 2016 and 2017 we would have won the league under Houston without the very unfortunate (although funny) situation of Rangers and Hibs being there No other manager has come close to that form since we were relegated in 2010 (apart from maybe 2014 before Holt fucked his January recruitment, or Hartley's team from Jan-May if replicated over a full season) Three managers have now been unable to even get us firing in league 1 Houston might not be the most brilliant manager ever, but was significantly better than the dross that followed him and 95% of who the bookies have in the frame at the moment Edited December 8, 2021 by NavyBlueArmy1876 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grumpyoldman Posted December 8, 2021 Share Posted December 8, 2021 31 minutes ago, NavyBlueArmy1876 said: Two seasons in a row in 2016 and 2017 we would have won the league under Houston without the very unfortunate (although funny) situation of Rangers and Hibs being there No other manager has come close to that form since we were relegated in 2010 (apart from maybe 2014 when Holt fucked his January recruitment, or Hartley's team from Jan-May if replicated over a full season) Three managers have now been unable to even get us firing in league 1 Houston might not be the most brilliant manager ever, but was significantly better than the dross that followed him and 95% of who the bookies have in the frame at the moment So is Kris Boyd. But I wouldn’t think for a moment that he was being considered 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reggie Perrin Posted December 8, 2021 Share Posted December 8, 2021 52 minutes ago, grumpyoldman said: Worst full time team in Scotland will get in the majorly cases the lowest standard of full time player. Time to go a hybrid model and pick up some of the better part time players. Before it’s too late No, the worst paying full time team will get the lowest standard player all things being equal. Boys at this level are playing to pay the mortgage etc rather than chasing medals. We should be able to attract good enough players to get us back on track. Whether we do remains to be seen. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HopeStreetWalker Posted December 8, 2021 Share Posted December 8, 2021 18 minutes ago, grumpyoldman said: So is Kris Boyd. But I wouldn’t think for a moment that he was being considered Kris Boyd ! would be pitchforks and torches at the ground with that one. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TxRover Posted December 8, 2021 Share Posted December 8, 2021 2 hours ago, Shadwell Dog said: You can't but replacing vaulks with John Rankin is like selling your Ferrari and buying a lada. It’s true, as a like for like replacement idea, but the reality of fitba is that you will lose skillful players and have to replace them with less skilled players. In the same vein, a Lada can often transport more than most Ferraris, less expensively and (potentially) more reliably…and you’ll have some dish in your pocket. The problem is most often that the manager fails to adjust the team playing style to better suit the available skills. It’s also a game of having something bubbling away on the hob to slide into the role of the excellent player you just lost. I don’t know the circumstance above, but if Vaulks was showing his brilliance for any amount of time before his move, the team should have had a focus on a couple of young players to develop as replacements and ways to adjust play to compensate for the loss of Vaulks particular skills…and that’s on the manager and staff. If Rankin was adjudged to fill that role, then it sounds the manager and staff screwed it up royally. It’s even worse if they then weren’t allowed to use some of the windfall from the sale to seek a more satisfactory solution (and worst if Rankin was it). 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shadwell Dog Posted December 8, 2021 Share Posted December 8, 2021 2 hours ago, NavyBlueArmy1876 said: Two seasons in a row in 2016 and 2017 we would have won the league under Houston without the very unfortunate (although funny) situation of Rangers and Hibs being there No other manager has come close to that form since we were relegated in 2010 (apart from maybe 2014 before Holt fucked his January recruitment, or Hartley's team from Jan-May if replicated over a full season) Three managers have now been unable to even get us firing in league 1 Houston might not be the most brilliant manager ever, but was significantly better than the dross that followed him and 95% of who the bookies have in the frame at the moment He would've been the ideal coach to have working alongside a good dof you would think. His weakness was recruitment so a dof strong on that side would've made the ideal partnership. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ranaldo Bairn Posted December 8, 2021 Share Posted December 8, 2021 55 minutes ago, TxRover said: It’s true, as a like for like replacement idea, but the reality of fitba is that you will lose skillful players and have to replace them with less skilled players. In the same vein, a Lada can often transport more than most Ferraris, less expensively and (potentially) more reliably…and you’ll have some dish in your pocket. The problem is most often that the manager fails to adjust the team playing style to better suit the available skills. It’s also a game of having something bubbling away on the hob to slide into the role of the excellent player you just lost. I don’t know the circumstance above, but if Vaulks was showing his brilliance for any amount of time before his move, the team should have had a focus on a couple of young players to develop as replacements and ways to adjust play to compensate for the loss of Vaulks particular skills…and that’s on the manager and staff. If Rankin was adjudged to fill that role, then it sounds the manager and staff screwed it up royally. It’s even worse if they then weren’t allowed to use some of the windfall from the sale to seek a more satisfactory solution (and worst if Rankin was it). If only we'd thought of that. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TxRover Posted December 8, 2021 Share Posted December 8, 2021 3 minutes ago, Ranaldo Bairn said: If only we'd thought of that. P&B’s been all over that...the last few managers at FFC haven’t...just saying. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BountyBairn Posted December 8, 2021 Share Posted December 8, 2021 4 hours ago, AL-FFC said: David Oliver done an article for basically what's going wrong at Falkirk and can they fix it in his article said the average length of time for a Falkirk manager is 5 days over a year Over what period? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted December 8, 2021 Share Posted December 8, 2021 That would have to be over less than a decade I would think. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tea and Busquets Posted December 8, 2021 Share Posted December 8, 2021 Heard tonight that the new manager should be appointed before Saturday. No names given but surely that means it’s Rice? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JulioBairn Posted December 8, 2021 Share Posted December 8, 2021 Confident Rice will be appointed by the weekend. Possibly as early as tomorrow night. -2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shadwell Dog Posted December 8, 2021 Share Posted December 8, 2021 (edited) Whoever gets appointed next it has to be the right decision. We must see improvement , and better players coming into the club come January. Top 4 a given and hopefully some sort of challenge for the title. After 4 duff decisions we are now drinking in the last chance saloon. I'm not sure about this let's just give it to rice caper. Surely we should be advertising the post and seeing what we get. Rice can apply if he wants and then if he's the best candidate give him the job unless we are looking at a temp appointment whilst we conduct a proper recruitment drive. Edited December 8, 2021 by Shadwell Dog 12 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaz Posted December 8, 2021 Share Posted December 8, 2021 I’m not convinced that Rice is the answer, but will happily give him a chance. Playoffs are the minimum expectation. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NavyBlueArmy1876 Posted December 8, 2021 Share Posted December 8, 2021 The way things are going at Hibs Jack Ross might be about to get the bullet. Would take him over any of the other candidates mentioned 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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