rustyarabnuts Posted June 26, 2012 Share Posted June 26, 2012 http://historicwarri...es/page0053.htm In the summer of 1964, the fans of the Warriors, and four other small clubs, were shocked to discover that the other 32 clubs in the Scottish League were planning to dissolve the structure in place, and replace it with two new leagues of 16 teams. The plan, instigated by Rangers, had been revealed, secretly, to the 31 other selected teams at two April meetings held at the home of the Glasgow club, Ibrox. Albion Rovers, Berwick Rangers, Brechin City, Stranraer and Stenhousemuir would have no part to play in Scottish senior football if Rangers got their way. The secret plans, according to Rangers, would make for a more competitive, attractive league set-up. However, for the excluded five, the scheme would possibly signal their demise, especially as in the mid-sixties, smaller clubs were highly dependent on pools money distributed by the Scottish League at £35 a point. In the season just ended, 1963-4, the Warriors gaining 35 points, were awarded £1225, a not inconsiderable sum at a time when many clubs were under pressure of extinction. Only three years later, Third Lanark, neighbours of Rangers, would go out of business, and the Steedman brothers were in the process of trying to kill off East Stirlingshire. Previous efforts to restructure the leagues had ended in deadlock, therefore secretly Rangers were making an attempt to wind up the structure in place, and enforce one of their choosing. Of course, emotions ran high in Larbert and Stenhousemuir when the underhand plans were revealed. However, resentment and rage as sentiments themselves would not have halted the iniquitous scheme. Two special elements arrested the Rangers expulsion plans although it took four years to finally win a great victory! Firstly, Jim Weir, the Warriors indomitable secretary, and Robert Turpie, committee man and Glasgow solicitor, formed a formidable partnership in forging a united approach from the five, and using every legal avenue open to rescue the situation. And secondly, although the press sided with Rangers in their illogical attempts at bullying, the 31 bedfellows gradually became more and more uneasy. In fact, at one of the secret meetings, on 28th April 1964, Alloa Athletic, Arbroath, Ayr United, Cowdenbeath, Dumbarton, East Fife, Montrose, Queen's Park, Raith Rovers and Stirling Albion were told that if they did not agree with the proposals, and vote with Rangers, then anyone of them could be expelled in place of one or more of the five. Mr Turpie won an interim interdict on May 26th 1964, preventing Rangers winding up the structure at the Scottish League AGM two days later. This victory was short lived, although Rangers were finding support for their plans evaporating. Twenty-seven clubs led by Rangers issued a summons against the five in October 1964, and against five other clubs (including neighbours East Stirlingshire and Celtic, now powerful ally for the five). The summons stated that the Ibrox side should be allowed to submit winding up papers at a future meeting of the League . The process of law is protracted. In November 1965, Lord Avonside rejected the majority of the preliminary defence pleas put forward by the five in opposition to Rangers: the five then turned to the Inner House of the Court of Session, who took over a year to issue a judgement. In December 1966, the Avonside decision was upheld. Nonetheless in February of that year, Stirling Albion had indicated withdrawal of support for the Rangers scheme. The lowest point came in July 1967, when one of the five co- defendants was forced to give up the legal fight due to spiralling legal costs. This could have been the end of the fight. However, the four others agreed to meet any further legal costs, while, on the surface, the five looked to remain 'as one', In the meantime, the support of those clubs remaining on the side of the Ibrox giants was weakening. Even so it came as a huge surprise when on 7th November 1967, Rangers announced an out of court settlement had been reached with the five, which meant that, in exchange for a withdrawal of legal proceedings, the five could stay as part of any future new league set up! A Special General Meeting in April 1968 confirmed the status of the five, where a Brechin City proposal found the necessary two-thirds majority with ease. The greatest victory? aw ffs its far too early in the morning for history lessons 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Oates Posted June 26, 2012 Share Posted June 26, 2012 http://www.raithrovers.net/3766/statement-of-board-of-directors.htm 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyle Posted June 26, 2012 Share Posted June 26, 2012 (edited) True, but if he's sold on the cheap, that's better than losing him for nothing? Maybe he couldn't find anyone to take him on, hence his stance? He's said himself, he wants security as he's got a wee one on the way. He's not going to take any offer if he's settled where he is, and earning big money. To be honest, this could be bad news for Rangers rather than good, especially if £16k a week McCulloch joins him. Edited June 26, 2012 by Kyle 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cuyahoga Posted June 26, 2012 Share Posted June 26, 2012 Anyone heard of "Who moved my cheese?" Because I think I should send a copy to the SFA/SPL/SFL. It revolves around 4 characters. 2 are mice who scurry about looking for chesse, and 2 are little people who initially are too scared and unwilling to go hunt for cheese after their supply runs out. The mice noticed that the supply was getting gradually getting lower each day and so made plans to seek out new cheese. The 2 little people however, didnt notice the cheese running out until one day there wasn't any. But everyday they would return to the same spot hoping that day there would be cheese, but there never was. Eventually one of the little people decided that he should maybe see if there was cheese elsewhere, and although scared he made small steps in looking for new cheese. At first there was nothing but he kept trying and found little bits her and there. Meanwhile the other little person had decided that he would just wait in the one place because it was what he knew and felt comfortable with, and maybe if he kept going back to that place then one day the cheese would return. The story is a bit longer than that but you get the idea. The SFA/SPL/SFL are so scared to go out and go in a different direction in case the "cheese" returns and falls back into their lap. They feel comfortable where they are and haven't noticed that all around them the "cheese" is getting a little less each day. Until one day it's no longer there and they ask where did it all go and how did this happen??? They are comfortable with the way football goes in scotland. Two big teams winning the title each year and bringing in money for them, and the other teams just keeping quiet and not making too much fuss. And teams like kilmarnock are doing the same thing. "We will get the OF money in and we'll break even, we're comfortable and safe with that." Yet others, many among us included, have been like the 2 mice, realising for a while that something isn't right and that the way things were going couldn't be maintained. But the powers that be, have convinced themselves that the "cheese" they received everyday would never run out and so made no plans just in case it did. Was the little person that eventually went out and started to look for cheese worried and scared about having to do something new to survive? Ofcourse he was, but he knew that he couldn't just sit and wait for the cheese to start appearing again in that one place. The point is, yes having no rankers and their fans, and their money might be scary and difficult at times, but Scottish football if it just remains in the one place as it has done for decades and waits for the "cheese" to start appearing again, is going to die. The chairmen have been happy to just accept what they are given that they havent noticed that little by little they are getting less and less, until one day there is nothing. So they wait and wait for the money to return, but it never does. But they are too scared to move on, just in case that money comes back and they miss it, so they wait and wait some more. We have been given a wake up call, and a chance to change Scottish football forever. The question is, do we wait and see what falls into our laps or do we make our own changes and take back this game we love? Strong analogy there. Seriously Strong...... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ballymoneyyin Posted June 26, 2012 Share Posted June 26, 2012 1340704567[/url]' post='6375077']Maybe he couldn't find anyone to take him on, hence his stance? He's said himself, he wants security as he's got a wee one on the way. He's not going to take any offer if he's settled where he is, and earning big money. To be honest, this could be bad news for Rangers rather than good, especially if £16k a week McCulloch joins him. He could move on loan also. Charles Green appears to be a shrewd customer, so he wouldn't want the players transferring to the NEWCO if it was going to damage his consortiums bank account 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Broccoli Dog Posted June 26, 2012 Share Posted June 26, 2012 Team:Hearts Oh and by the way, I'm sure The Rangers don't owe anything for him... I'm sure there is still the matter of an outstanding £800k, yet another reason why your club should be buried. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaspode Posted June 26, 2012 Share Posted June 26, 2012 Now that Raith have publicly said "No to Newco" in the first - is anyone keeping a tally of the SFL clubs? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Master Posted June 26, 2012 Share Posted June 26, 2012 (edited) Now that Raith have publicly said "No to Newco" in the first - is anyone keeping a tally of the SFL clubs? Yes: 1. Cowdenbeath No: 1. Raith Edited June 26, 2012 by The Master 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaspode Posted June 26, 2012 Share Posted June 26, 2012 He could move on loan also. Charles Green appears to be a shrewd customer, so he wouldn't want the players transferring to the NEWCO if it was going to damage his consortiums bank account Green doesn't have any choice in the matter - under TUPE they have the right to the same wages and conditions as previous. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Broccoli Dog Posted June 26, 2012 Share Posted June 26, 2012 I believe Falkirk have also stringly hinted at telling Sevco to get fucked. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyle Posted June 26, 2012 Share Posted June 26, 2012 I'm sure there is still the matter of an outstanding £800k, yet another reason why your club should be buried. It's actually paid to date, incredibly. I think the next installment is due on the 1st of July though. Who would take Wallace, as well as his entire wage, on loan in Scotland? If he has a wife/girlfriend who is expecting (as he said in his statement) it's clear he doesn't want to go very far. Not sure about the other clubs, but there's no way Saints could afford him. I wouldn't be surprised if Green's stance on TUPE started to weaken, they can't afford the wages. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeeTeeJag Posted June 26, 2012 Share Posted June 26, 2012 For all those Orcs among us, this is what pre-season training should look like........................ 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ballymoneyyin Posted June 26, 2012 Share Posted June 26, 2012 1340704744[/url]' post='6375085']I'm sure there is still the matter of an outstanding £800k, yet another reason why your club should be buried. I thought the debt died with the old company, no? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Connolly Posted June 26, 2012 Share Posted June 26, 2012 Shocked to hear that Lee Wallace is transferring to the newco. Very pleased with that. Transfer? But isn't newco the same club? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
craigkillie Posted June 26, 2012 Share Posted June 26, 2012 A sensible piece from a journalist without the OF specs on (Paul Hughes) can be found here He's generally very good. Must be depressing for someone like him to have to churn out shite for the Sun. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeeTeeJag Posted June 26, 2012 Share Posted June 26, 2012 Jackie Mac said on saturday's Off the Ball that he doesn't think rankers 2.0 should be allowed into the first division. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scottxs Posted June 26, 2012 Share Posted June 26, 2012 I thought the debt died with the old company, no? according to many former rangers supporters its the plc that has died not the football club. even tho they are all the same thing 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeeTeeJag Posted June 26, 2012 Share Posted June 26, 2012 Anyone up for dressing as a priest, going to Ibrox and giving them the last rites for youtube? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scottxs Posted June 26, 2012 Share Posted June 26, 2012 Anyone up for dressing as a priest, going to Ibrox and giving them the last rites for youtube? ome1 should do it then speak to the guy on ssn outside. just as jim white goes on air. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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