Robin.Hood Posted October 1, 2020 Share Posted October 1, 2020 3 hours ago, Ludo*1 said: Absolutely delusional to be saying we should be winning the league when Hearts with likely more than treble our budget are in the league. Bizarre and utter nonsense. Also, f**k settling 4th to see a few extra youth players blooded in. So what is acceptable? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robin.Hood Posted October 1, 2020 Share Posted October 1, 2020 3 hours ago, johnnydun said: Maybe the ones loaned out just have not been good enough mate, none of them have set the heather on fire anywhere else. Yeah, what should happen and what McPake does is usually 2 completely different things. Seems like for the past while certainly youth has been shite 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ludo*1 Posted October 1, 2020 Share Posted October 1, 2020 (edited) 9 hours ago, johnnydun said: Yeah but you could have said that for about 7 out of 12 teams in the Premiership last season before it started. I just don't think their squad is up to much. Craig Gordon & Zdenek Zlamal are superior to both our keepers. Halkett, Berra, Souttar and Smith would easily get a game for a top flight team and stroll right into our team. Indeed, we'd be delighted to have Berra back who couldn't get a sniff for Hearts in the second half of last season! Hearts midfield is a bit suspect but the addition of Halliday will toughen that up and Jamie Walker is easily better than any wide option we have. Naismith and Boyce are so far above this level it's unreal and should knock goals in for fun. I'd put them on par with the likes of Dorrans & Adam (Because of Adam's age) as being well above this level but in position we have zero comparison. You're spot on that they underperformed and arguably had a top 6 squad and still got smashed every week but now they have a manager that has repeatedly smashed this league in a very boring style. 8 hours ago, G_Man1985 said: So what is acceptable? 2nd. Anything less is unacceptable. Edited October 1, 2020 by Ludo*1 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spikethedee Posted October 1, 2020 Share Posted October 1, 2020 Just had a look at Hearts' 1st team squad on Wikipedia. There are definitely some players I'd have in an instant - Naismith, Boyce, Berra, Halkett, but it doesn't look like it's miles ahead of what we have (at least outfield, anyway). Remember how well Nielson did with the DABS trying to get them going in 2018-19? He's a decent manager, but he's no Jocky….. We should be pushing Hearts and should be well ahead of the rest of the pack in 2nd at the very worst, but there are a couple of things that give me the fear, I presume it's fairly obvious who they are... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robin.Hood Posted October 1, 2020 Share Posted October 1, 2020 18 minutes ago, Ludo*1 said: 2nd. Anything less is unacceptable. Yesh id probably agree with this. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RossBFaeDundee Posted October 1, 2020 Share Posted October 1, 2020 Quite simply put, we need to make Hearts earn the title. Of course they're favourites, but imo putting Rangers and Hibs aside, I'd say the majority of teams in this league are more balanced and tougher than the majority of teams they faced last time they were here. As long as we make them work for it and not make it easy for the favourites again I'll feel quite positive about this team. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robin.Hood Posted October 1, 2020 Share Posted October 1, 2020 19 hours ago, Mr. Alli said: Did we not sell about 3 last season or the year before? https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/football/football-transfer-news/dundee-hitkid-michael-cunningham-heads-14579348.amp This boy? Do we still have him ? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RossBFaeDundee Posted October 1, 2020 Share Posted October 1, 2020 4 minutes ago, G_Man1985 said: https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/football/football-transfer-news/dundee-hitkid-michael-cunningham-heads-14579348.amp This boy? Do we still have him ? Yes we do. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dee Bliss Posted October 1, 2020 Share Posted October 1, 2020 12 hours ago, johnnydun said: Are Hearts much stronger in terms of squad though? Funds yes, Manager yes, squad, I'm not so sure. This is the same team that were pumped regularly last season and have lost a couple of their more talented players. I think we have a much better balanced squad than last season. I'm not writing us off before a ball is kicked. 2 words....Jack Hamilton. Let’s not kid ourselves on unless we get another keeper in we’re up against. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dee Bliss Posted October 1, 2020 Share Posted October 1, 2020 (edited) 2 hours ago, Ludo*1 said: Craig Gordon & Zdenek Zlamal are superior to both our keepers. Halkett, Berra, Souttar and Smith would easily get a game for a top flight team and stroll right into our team. Indeed, we'd be delighted to have Berra back who couldn't get a sniff for Hearts in the second half of last season! Hearts midfield is a bit suspect but the addition of Halliday will toughen that up and Jamie Walker is easily better than any wide option we have. Naismith and Boyce are so far above this level it's unreal and should knock goals in for fun. I'd put them on par with the likes of Dorrans & Adam (Because of Adam's age) as being well above this level but in position we have zero comparison. You're spot on that they underperformed and arguably had a top 6 squad and still got smashed every week but now they have a manager that has repeatedly smashed this league in a very boring style. 2nd. Anything less is unacceptable. Halkett - Souttar - injured, out for months Haliday - Walker - made of chocolate and has a recent injury history comparable to players at our club Naismith - great player but injury after injury now. Gordon - has he still got it? Hasn’t played for a couple of years. Right now our biggest fear is the goalkeeper situation rather than Hearts. We’ve next to no chance unless this improved. Edited October 1, 2020 by Yenitit 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dee Bliss Posted October 1, 2020 Share Posted October 1, 2020 1 hour ago, G_Man1985 said: Yesh id probably agree with this. How are you today, calmed down any? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robin.Hood Posted October 1, 2020 Share Posted October 1, 2020 3 minutes ago, Yenitit said: How are you today, calmed down any? Just get the season started. We still have the two biggest issues of last season and that's McPake and Hamilton. However roll on the football. Its needed. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dee Bliss Posted October 1, 2020 Share Posted October 1, 2020 (edited) 9 minutes ago, G_Man1985 said: Just get the season started. We still have the two biggest issues of last season and that's McPake and Hamilton. However roll on the football. Its needed. Agree 100% with all of this. Wee Nicky won’t let us into the football though. Can’t be having people sitting in an outdoor environment but Pubs, Cinema’s and fucking Bingo halls are fair game. Not enamoured with her and Jason the dentist. What Scotsman still living in Scotland apart fae Jason Leitch has their sporting interest and team down as Baseball and the Boston fuckin Red Sox Those 2 couldn’t give a flying f**k about our national sport. Rant over. Thank you. Edited October 1, 2020 by Yenitit 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crawford Posted October 1, 2020 Share Posted October 1, 2020 10 minutes ago, Yenitit said: Agree 100% with all of this. Wee Nicky won’t let us into the football though. Can’t be having people sitting in an outdoor environment but Pubs, Cinema’s and fucking Bingo halls are fair game. Not enamoured with her and Jason the dentist. What Scotsman still living in Scotland apart fae Jason Leitch has their sporting interest and team down as Baseball and the Boston fuckin Red Sox Those 2 couldn’t give a flying f**k about our national sport. Rant over. Thank you. I would love to get to Dens as much as the next person, but even with distanced seating and all that, everyone still has to pass through the same turnstiles and it'd take an hour or two to get in and leave. Plus the way football fans are made responsible for all anti social behaviour, we'd be made responsible for local outbreaks too. We'll get back when it's right. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ludo*1 Posted October 1, 2020 Share Posted October 1, 2020 36 minutes ago, Yenitit said: Halkett - Souttar - injured, out for months Haliday - Walker - made of chocolate and has a recent injury history comparable to players at our club Naismith - great player but injury after injury now. Gordon - has he still got it? Hasn’t played for a couple of years. Right now our biggest fear is the goalkeeper situation rather than Hearts. We’ve next to no chance unless this improved. Even if Gordon is completely past it, he's still on a different level to Ferrie & Hamilton combined! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dee Bliss Posted October 1, 2020 Share Posted October 1, 2020 1 hour ago, Crawford said: I would love to get to Dens as much as the next person, but even with distanced seating and all that, everyone still has to pass through the same turnstiles and it'd take an hour or two to get in and leave. Plus the way football fans are made responsible for all anti social behaviour, we'd be made responsible for local outbreaks too. We'll get back when it's right. Turnstiles aren’t required. Open the large exit gates in every end for gaining entry and exiting and no one will be near a turnstile and socially distant. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dee Bliss Posted October 1, 2020 Share Posted October 1, 2020 1 hour ago, Ludo*1 said: Even if Gordon is completely past it, he's still on a different level to Ferrie & Hamilton combined! Of course. That’s why our goalkeeping situation is the biggest issue 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robin.Hood Posted October 1, 2020 Share Posted October 1, 2020 1 hour ago, Crawford said: I would love to get to Dens as much as the next person, but even with distanced seating and all that, everyone still has to pass through the same turnstiles and it'd take an hour or two to get in and leave. Yet go into a local supermarket and nobody gives a f**k about social distancing or even pretends to try to. 17 minutes ago, Yenitit said: Of course. That’s why our goalkeeping situation is the biggest issue Yet could of addressed this but have chosen this isn't an issue it seems. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derry Alli Posted October 1, 2020 Share Posted October 1, 2020 2 hours ago, Crawford said: I would love to get to Dens as much as the next person, but even with distanced seating and all that, everyone still has to pass through the same turnstiles and it'd take an hour or two to get in and leave. Plus the way football fans are made responsible for all anti social behaviour, we'd be made responsible for local outbreaks too. We'll get back when it's right. Just let everybody in and if we all die then so be it, it'll save us from the bleeding of the eys we usually have to endure. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ludo*1 Posted October 1, 2020 Share Posted October 1, 2020 52 minutes ago, G_Man1985 said: Yet go into a local supermarket and nobody gives a f**k about social distancing or even pretends to try to. Yet could of addressed this but have chosen this isn't an issue it seems. Think McPake knows it's an issue but Hamilton will be on a tidy wage, we have cover for the position and also needed bodies in elsewhere. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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