54_and_counting Posted August 27, 2015 Share Posted August 27, 2015 I hope we can improve our country ranking in years to come, but UEFA seem to have designed it so it gets tougher each year. erm except in the CL the scottish champions, while having to play more games, have a significantly easier time now than they did 5-10 years ago put it this way, tony mowbray had to play dynamo moscow then arsenal to get to the CL ronny deila had to play qarabag and malmo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clyde01 Posted August 27, 2015 Share Posted August 27, 2015 Of the 102 sides that entered the Europa league at qualifying round 1 only 2 (Rosenborg & Gabala) have progressed all the way to the group stage. Just shows it's almost impossible for our clubs to reach the groups when entering the competition so early. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
topcat(The most tip top) Posted August 27, 2015 Share Posted August 27, 2015 erm except in the CL the scottish champions, while having to play more games, have a significantly easier time now than they did 5-10 years ago put it this way, tony mowbray had to play dynamo moscow then arsenal to get to the CL ronny deila had to play qarabag and malmo The "Champions route" was explicitly created to make it easier for clubs like Celtic (and as it turns out Malmo) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
topcat(The most tip top) Posted August 27, 2015 Share Posted August 27, 2015 erm except in the CL the scottish champions, while having to play more games, have a significantly easier time now than they did 5-10 years ago put it this way, tony mowbray had to play dynamo moscow then arsenal to get to the CL ronny deila had to play qarabag and malmo The "Champions route" was explicitly created to make it easier for clubs like Celtic (and as it turns out Malmo) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doonhamer doon south Posted August 28, 2015 Share Posted August 28, 2015 So reading the latest coefficient points table Romania up in 15th are all out for the season so it's good chance now to close the gap a little bit will do nothing for us this year or next but may be useful 3-5 years down the line how well we can do this season and seasons to come Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest DAVIDB69 Posted August 28, 2015 Share Posted August 28, 2015 Reality is we will probably be passed by Denmark and Norway and slip to 25th Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doonhamer doon south Posted August 28, 2015 Share Posted August 28, 2015 Totally agree but hey trying to be positive Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedLichtie86 Posted August 28, 2015 Share Posted August 28, 2015 If Norway and Denmark push us down to 25th. I think that means the 3 Europa League entrants will go into Q1 which will begin right after the Euro Championship finishes. Lets hope Aberdeen, Hearts and Sevco make it then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duszek Posted August 29, 2015 Share Posted August 29, 2015 By any objective measure Aberdeens European performance was far above expectation. Deal with it. I've dealt with Aberdeen's campaign Have you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HibeeJibee Posted August 29, 2015 Share Posted August 29, 2015 If Norway and Denmark push us down to 25th. I think that means the 3 Europa League entrants will go into Q1 which will begin right after the Euro Championship finishes. Lets hope Aberdeen, Hearts and Sevco make it then. Changes come into force a year ahead i.e. in 2017, i.e. for the Europa League 2017-18. It has to be like that so clubs know what they're playing for the preceding season. Dropping to 24th or 25th would in theory see all 3 teams entering in QR1, but in practice the title holder place is likely to go unused, so dropping to 26th would be the point to worry. We're also close behind Denmark currently who've only Midtjylland left in tough EL group. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doonhamer doon south Posted August 29, 2015 Share Posted August 29, 2015 Worst case scenario 26th in coefficients what would that represent for Scottish clubs what rounds would they enter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HibeeJibee Posted August 29, 2015 Share Posted August 29, 2015 It's most easily explained by simply looking at the Access List chart. http://kassiesa.home.xs4all.nl/bert/uefa/access2015.html Note that the highlighted blocks show where teams get moved up due to titleholder slots going unused (plus the 3x Fair Play places but those have now been abolished). As you can see no difference 19-25, and big difference comes at 15. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
10menwent2mow Posted September 1, 2015 Share Posted September 1, 2015 Just goes to show the importance of being in the top 15, obviously these countries have better teams than us but the raw stats say that the top 15 countries account for 42 of the 60 clubs left in Europe and only 7 of the remaining 18 came from countries outwith the top 25 at the start of this season and only 1 of that 7 are in the CL (Astana) I also didn't realise that theoretically there could be as few as two places in the CL groups for teams outwith the top 15. If the champions of 13-15 qualify then that's 30 places taken up by the top 15. Astonishing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BFTD Posted September 10, 2015 Share Posted September 10, 2015 ...and the inventor of the Champions' League rests easy in his grave/bed. It does what it was invented to do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest DAVIDB69 Posted September 17, 2015 Share Posted September 17, 2015 25th in the in running table now but we have a few points lead on kazikstan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HibeeJibee Posted September 18, 2015 Share Posted September 18, 2015 With 3 points (or more) needed to overhaul us I would be surprised if Azerbaijan, Serbia or Kazakhstan managed to surpass us - even with Azerbaijan still having 2 clubs on the go. It remains possible for us to catch Denmark or Norway - although having thought Midtjylland had a very tough group they promptly went on to win their opener against Legia Warsaw. Also the fact that Norway have got 2 clubs left, and Molde managed a surprising win at Fenerbahce, doesn't help and if Molde can get results v Celtic we'll struggle. However ranking anywhere from 19th to 25th makes no difference, anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doonhamer doon south Posted September 18, 2015 Share Posted September 18, 2015 I agree with an earlier post in thread we have to make average of 4 points to keep us at least where we are or slightly better however we seem quite far from that relying on celtic Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swampy Posted September 19, 2015 Share Posted September 19, 2015 23rd is poor but I remember even when we were 10th people were saying Scottish football was a laughing stock and all our teams were shite etc. Some things really never change. Realistically unless the tribute act financially dope their way back to the top and Celtic respond with reckless spending of their own we're not likely to hit 10th anytime. I think 15-20 is our level, somewhere in that bracket. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Master Posted September 22, 2015 Share Posted September 22, 2015 Now down to 24th as Norway overtake us. http://www.uefa.com/memberassociations/uefarankings/country/index.html If I've understood correctly (and there's every chance I haven't), if we drop two more places then the Cup winners join the 2nd and 3rd placed teams in Q1 of the Europa League (instead of Q2) for 2017/18. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HibeeJibee Posted September 22, 2015 Share Posted September 22, 2015 Bert Kassies has us as 25th. In theory your scenario could happen at 24th but in practice it would be unusual for the title holder slots to be used hence the real cut-off is 26th. However given the sizeable gap between ourselves and Azerbaijan, Serbia and Kazakhstan (over 3 points which equates to no fewer than 6 groupstages wins for example) it will take something pretty remarkable from any of those countries to overtake us. Obviously the aim is to be going up, though, so we need Celtic to get going. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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